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Old 07-22-2004, 12:19 PM
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Is there anyway to take a portion of a .bin file and paste that into a different .bin file?

Here's what I'm trying to do..

I want to use an LS6 MAF on my car, so I need to program the computer with the MAF data from a Z06 vette. In order to do that I need the .bin from a Z06... Is there anyway that I can do this, or would I have to manually input the numbers that his HP Tuners spits out?
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Excel tables seem to be the best "medium of
exchange".

The Z06 MAF I don't think is very different from
the rest of the 85mm Delphi MAFs and you could
probably get "close enough" using one of those.

You might try this (get it into Excel and cut/past/
transpose to fit HPTuners table row form):

from http://c5howto.com/index.php?article=25
Frequency Screened Descreened
1500 1.48 1.42
1625 1.8 1.76
1750 2.13 2.1
1875 2.49 2.48
2000 2.89 2.86
2125 3.33 3.26
2250 3.8 3.7
2375 4.34 4.18
2500 4.91 4.71
2625 5.54 5.31
2750 6.22 5.97
2875 6.95 6.68
3000 7.73 7.43
3125 8.56 8.23
3250 9.45 9.08
3375 10.38 9.97
3500 11.38 10.91
3625 12.45 11.93
3750 13.6 13.05
3875 14.85 14.27
4000 16.21 15.59
4125 17.7 16.98
4250 19.32 18.47
4375 21.02 20.05
4500 22.77 21.72
4625 24.54 23.48
4750 26.43 25.34
4875 28.41 27.28
5000 30.49 29.34
5125 32.66 31.48
5250 34.95 33.74
5375 37.36 36.11
5500 39.9 38.62
5625 42.62 41.3
5750 45.48 44.17
5875 48.5 47.2
6000 51.66 50.4
6125 54.98 53.77
6250 58.44 57.3
6375 62.05 61.01
6500 65.82 64.88
6625 69.73 68.91
6750 73.8 73.12
6875 78.03 77.47
7000 82.41 81.97
7125 86.94 86.63
7250 91.63 91.45
7375 96.49 96.43
7500 101.51 101.59
7625 106.71 106.9
7750 112.09 112.36
7875 117.63 118.01
8000 123.35 123.83
8125 129.24 129.84
8250 135.3 136.05
8375 141.53 142.48
8500 147.87 149.13
8625 154.41 155.98
8750 161.15 163.06
8875 168.08 170.38
9000 175.22 177.92
9125 182.58 185.7
9250 190.23 193.73
9375 198.21 201.99
9500 206.34 210.52
9625 214.8 219.3
9750 223.52 228.34
9875 232.52 237.64
10000 241.83 247.23
10125 251.34 257.06
10250 261.13 267.16
10375 271.19 277.56
10500 281.53 288.25
10625 292.15 299.25
10750 303.05 310.55
10875 314.25 322.2
11000 325.73 334.16
11125 337.51 346.49
11250 349.59 359.16
11375 361.96 372.22
11500 374.64 385.66
11625 387.63 399.51
11750 400.92 413.77
11875 414.53 428.45
12000 428.46 443.6
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Excel tables seem to be the best "medium of
exchange".

The Z06 MAF I don't think is very different from
the rest of the 85mm Delphi MAFs and you could
probably get "close enough" using one of those.
I currently have the LS1 calibrated Pace 85mm MAF, but form what I have been told, I don't want that, I want an LS6 Calibrated MAF, then modify the MAF tables.
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hp tuners does not allow for value file loading from other tunes to my knowledge

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Remove the resistor from your Pace and you
will have an LS-6 MAF.

Measure the resistor value afterward, or read
the color code, and post it up....
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Originally Posted by slow
hp tuners does not allow for value file loading from other tunes to my knowledge

Ryan.
I e-mailed their tech support people to see if they can help.
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Remove the resistor from your Pace and you
will have an LS-6 MAF.
I thought it would more complicated than that... that's all I have to do?

Originally Posted by jimmyblue
Measure the resistor value afterward, or read
the color code, and post it up....
God I haven't tried to decipher the ohm value of a resistor in years!!! I'll try to remember what each color means.
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How should I modify the table for an 01 stock LS1 MAF, that has been descreened? Do I enter in the values from the link that you listed?
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I just looked at my stock MAF tables compaired to the ones that JimmyBlue posted. We are talking about an abolutely huge difference. a few reference points

1500 = 2.32
2000 = 4.16
3000 = 10.43
4000 = 21.26

What gives, why are my stock values so much higher than those listed on ls1howto? What changes should I make to my table to accomodate for the descreened MAF?
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Originally Posted by WS6snake-eater
I just looked at my stock MAF tables compaired to the ones that JimmyBlue posted. We are talking about an abolutely huge difference. a few reference points

1500 = 2.32
2000 = 4.16
3000 = 10.43
4000 = 21.26

What gives, why are my stock values so much higher than those listed on ls1howto? What changes should I make to my table to accomodate for the descreened MAF?
THe info that jimmyblue posted is for an 85mm MAF. The stock MAF is 78mm.
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Those are all values for 85mm Delphi units, they
are very different from the F-body 75mm "oreo"
MAF. When I put a bare 85mm Delphi on my SS
it made it set codes for >25% rich.

Within the 85mm family the MAFs are all relatively
tight. The '01 Z06 is almost identical to the 5.3L
truck. I am still looking for descreened, '02+ data.

It takes less airflow in an 85mm to get the same
frequency; this frequency is taken by the F-body
to represent more than the true (per 75mm cal) air.
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gotcha...now I understand...BTW Jimmy I used your Trans settings that you have listed on the HPtuners forum...I was having some lockup problems and such, but now it is totally ****. Thanks.

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Ok.... from what Chris at HP Tuners told me... a .bin file can be opened, separated, and parts cut and pasted, but it has to be a .bin from a car that you have support for.
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That is correct...in your case you would could only read bins from other 00' f-cars. Now the data could be exported to an excel spreadsheet, like suggested by Jimmyblue, that would be the best solution. Or you can just enter in the #'s manually, the are listed on the c5howto site.




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