Terry Burger

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Another week of driving the car to and from work with no problems to report! I was working down in Diamond Bar today so I threw the slicks in the car this morning and headed by Irwindale raceway for a couple passes after work. No changes to the car since last time out (full street trim, ps, air filter, all seats, etc. raceweight of 3340#).

The track was hooking a little better than last Thursday and I got a good idea of what this combo can do:

6.72@101.10 1.46 60'

How about an unofficial 10.5?? Not bad for a daily driven full street car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> This is with a mild MMS 396 "all bore" and TCI 4000 stall.

A few people have emailed me about the stall so here is the info. It's part number
TCI 242932 and you can get it for under $500 right from Jegs. It's flashing
to around 3900rpm with an ext of 5300, and it feels really nice around town. I'd suggest it to guys looking for a mid 11 heads/cam stall, or an aggressive heads/cam/juice car. Guys looking for low 11 heads/cam car probably want the same stall only 500rpm looser.

One more thing for all you heads/cam/huge stall guys out there. Once you go real torque you'll never go back. I love driving around this MMS 396. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ October 17, 2002, 11:30 PM: Message edited by: Terry Burger ]</small>

AlonzoVersion 1.0

"Burger strikes back". Congrats on your new time.I know its kind of early but when are you going to a solid roller set?

CHRISPY

congrats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Chris

GeorgeC

Sounds good, Terry. Looks like that TCI converter is working out well for you. Just more proof that you don't have to have a Yank/Vig to go fast... I'm not knocking either one, but no way I'd trade my JW converter. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

Nine Ball

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Nice times Terry! Now you fully understand why it never bothered me when you would compare your 346ci times with my bigger motor. The BIG motors are MUCH more drivable for the same performance level, its the best of both worlds.

-Tony <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

Fenris Ulf

Nice run Terry. When are you getting a bigger cam in there?

oOoLy

Congrats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Terry

Adnan

W8N2SQZ

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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Nice run Terry, do you feel there is more left in it?

Glenn

Terry Burger

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There is a lot more in the car. Right now I'm running 120# heavier than I could be with a more restrictive exhaust. I love this TCI stall but I could also probably stand to go up another 500rpm in stall speed. Taking the weight out and upping the stall a bit would get me in to the 6.62 1/8th range I bet (maybe a 10.4?).

For now I might just leave the car as is and swap out my MMS 229v2.1 cam for a new larger MMS hydrolic cam. I'd love to drive to the track in street trim and run 10.4.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

mykdiver

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
2 words------->BAD ***!!!
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks JS! Test out your new TP4500 stall yet?

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
terry burger, i know this is off topic but dosent MMS make a ported throttle body? do you know any thing about these? i cant find any info on them.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Yeah I run it, I think it's the best there it. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> You'll have to call MMS for the details I bought mine over a year ago.

Terry Burger

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
"Burger strikes back". Congrats on your new time.I know its kind of early but when are you going to a solid roller set?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Right now I have around $7500 in credit card debt. When I get down to $0 I'll charge a solid roller setup.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Maybe 3 months?

AlonzoVersion 1.0

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">
"Burger strikes back". Congrats on your new time.I know its kind of early but when are you going to a solid roller set?
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Right now I have around $7500 in credit card debt. When I get down to $0 I'll charge a solid roller setup.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> Maybe 3 months?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Cool bro I will be watching.I dont suppose you will take payments on your stealth air lid will you? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> If so I am game.

JS

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Tonight Terry..
The air is AWESOME!!!!

Sure George,I'm done with all the BS.
Terrys okay in my book,Cant fault a guy that backs it up.

JS

<small>[ October 18, 2002, 03:03 PM: Message edited by: JS ]</small>

JP98SS

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>How about an unofficial 10.5?? Not bad for a daily driven full street car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> This is with a mild MMS 396 "all bore" and TCI 4000 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How exactly do you consider your motor mild? That isn't the run of the mill MMS motor, stop misleading people.

Big Mike

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[/QUOTE]How exactly do you consider your motor mild? That isn't the run of the mill MMS motor, stop misleading people.[/QB][/QUOTE]

I was thinking the same exact thing. It is however a bad *** setup, but I wouldn't call it mild. Just because it runs on pump gas doesn't mean its mild. BTW, I'm assuming that if you drive it to the track and back it runs on pump gas.

Terry Burger

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How do you consider it not mild? It idles smooth with a 229/114ls camshaft (small for the motor size), regular MMS stage 3 LS6 heads, unported intake, runs on pump gas, stock crank, stock rockers, etc.

A wild motor would be 13.5:1 CR, huge solid cam, shaft rockers, race gas only, poor idle, etc.

The only "crazy" thing about this motor is the offset grind on the crank. I don't think the extra 8 cubes added anything but bragging rights. 396 rolls off the tongue so smoothly! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

KTamez

The main thing I'm worried about is weather you'll be ready to get your @$$ handed to you by a 23* headed 396 next season. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

Oh, and obligatory niceties...

Congrats! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

LIL SS

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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JP98SS:
<strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Terry Burger:
<strong>How about an unofficial 10.5?? Not bad for a daily driven full street car. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> This is with a mild MMS 396 "all bore" and TCI 4000 stall. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">How exactly do you consider your motor mild? That isn't the run of the mill MMS motor, stop misleading people.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think Terry put the <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" /> in there for a reason. Jokingly saying it is mild. Just my take..