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Old 12-01-2004, 07:01 PM
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Default Morel lifters from 7.40 to 7.20 push rod

Does this seam odd. My car normally would use a 7.40 push rod(milled heads .016 and smaller base circle cam by .025), now since switching to the new morels, I now need a 7.20 push rod. I am just worried about this. I have an adjustable push rod so I know it right, it comes up with about 3/4 turn to 22ft after zero lash. I am also running Harland Sharp rockers.

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I checked my clearences today with the Morels's and mine were fine. I'm using 7.400 PR's with AFR castings milled .024" and a comp cam. Not shure of the Base circle.
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Thanks. This just confirms something is wrong with my set up. Looks like I am going to take the lifters out over the weekend. I will give Morel another call before removing them. I did purchase from a forum sponsor and I have that been able to get ahold of them for the last seven days. The main phone number has been out of service.
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Brent,
I will check into this and call you.Thanks,
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What is the width of the contact area on the valve after a full rotation of the cam lobe/lifter on a valve.

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What is the width of the contact area on the valve after a full rotation of the cam lobe/lifter on a valve.

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Chris, I think you meant you want the area on the top of the valve stem that is in contact with the tip of the roller on the rocker arm. Also I am assuming that this test will be with the correct size push rod (currently I have two adjustable types from comp cams). I will do this tonight and post this information. This is the 2nd set of heads that I have installed on this car, so I am not a novice, but at the same time not at the same skill level of some other member on this forum who do this every day. Thanks for the help!

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No. ..the width of the area traveled by the roller on the tip of the valve will tell you if the geometry is correct. You will need a set of dial caliper and a magic marker.

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Originally Posted by Cstraub
No. ..the width of the area traveled by the roller on the tip of the valve will tell you if the geometry is correct. You will need a set of dial caliper and a magic marker.

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No. ..the width of the area traveled by the roller on the tip of the valve will tell you if the geometry is correct. You will need a set of dial caliper and a magic marker.

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OK.. I also own two dial indicators both with magnetic bases, but are hard to use on an mostly all aluminum engine with a plastic intake
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Bolt a flat metal plate to the valve cover rail.
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Geometry lesson

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Wow, nice link. My current setup looks exactly like number 5 of the Geometry lesson (short push rod). Now if I get the geometry correct (longer push rod) then my preload will be off. How can I correct this?
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Originally Posted by Brent02
Wow, nice link. My current setup looks exactly like number 5 of the Geometry lesson (short push rod). Now if I get the geometry correct (longer push rod) then my preload will be off. How can I correct this?
Set up the heads for proper geometry.

Order the correct push rod length.

Shim the rockers to get the proper preload.

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Originally Posted by EDC
Set up the heads for proper geometry.

Order the correct push rod length.

Shim the rockers to get the proper preload.

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Ok, So the first thing is to get the geometry correct regardless of preload then add shims to correct that. I was thinking that the length of the push rod would control both. I see that was wrong. How can I "Set up the heads for proper geometry"?
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Use the adjustable pushrod. Go back to stock length. Repeat the Lunati proceedure until the mark is correct. The width of the area should be around .060". Order pushrods.

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Originally Posted by Brent02
Ok, So the first thing is to get the geometry correct regardless of preload then add shims to correct that. I was thinking that the length of the push rod would control both. I see that was wrong. How can I "Set up the heads for proper geometry"?
What Chris said!

I'm probably going to get in trouble with the forum police but I can get push rods in .005" increments so don't panic if the push rods length comes up weird. It happens all the time when you do it correctly! Just get the swipe in the middle and as small as you can. It takes time and patience but it worth it.

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Ed,

Do you have to measure all of them or just one?
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1 on each bank of a "street engine" should be suffiecient. An all out competition engine you would measure/check every one of them. My hats off to Lunati on that Tech section, it is very good.

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Originally Posted by EDC
What Chris said!

I'm probably going to get in trouble with the forum police but I can get push rods in .005" increments so don't panic if the push rods length comes up weird. It happens all the time when you do it correctly! Just get the swipe in the middle and as small as you can. It takes time and patience but it worth it.

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Ed, I will send an e-mail to you when I know what sizes I need.

Thanks.
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You should never set preload with the pushrods...... If you have a lifter handy, measure the legnth of it from head to toe. My morels are 2.782" tall for comparison.
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
You should never set preload with the pushrods...... If you have a lifter handy, measure the legnth of it from head to toe. My morels are 2.782" tall for comparison.
The height of morels was more, my stocks are 2.625. I liked this because it gives more area for the lifter tray to grip it. The morel lifters are in the car. Now my stock ones from cup to roller is 2.364. This is with a mic that has a shaft width of .250. So I can not get to the bottom of the cup in the lifter due to the width of the mics shaft. Beast96Z, can you measure this on your morel lifter? Thanks


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