View Full Version : 2000 Camaro SS vs. 04 Mustang Cobra


bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 01:10 PM
Went out to Irwindale Speedway last night for a little test and tune on the 1/8 mile strip. The car was running very consistant all night long in the 7.5x@94mph range.

Last night was the first night out with the new set up. 231/237 TSP Camshaft, Meziere Race EWP, power steering removed, Harlan 2-Step, and a few other Misc mods. Check Signature for complete list.

Toward the end of the night I pulled back into the staging lanes right behind an '04 Cobra Mustang. I had actually met the driver months back when the car was brand new. He watched my last run which was 7.518@94.17 and commented how close our two cars were. His last run was 7.52@94.6x.

After talking to him for a few minutes I found out his mods were an upgraded supercharger, 8.8" solid rear axel, M/T ET Streets, and a few other misc things. Basically both cars were very evenly matched. We both agreed to a friendly grudge match.

Due to a wreck we finally got to the burn out box about an hour later, and burn out we did. :devil: The announcer yells into the microphone "CIG ALERT 605 FREEWAY!!!" We both smoked the tires so much a cloud of smoke hovered over the 605 freeway. I am in the left lane, Mustang in the right lane.

I put the car into 1st gear, clicked the button for the 2-step and prestaged. The Mustang prestages. The Mustang lights up the second bulb and I follow quickly after. I mashed the throttle and let the 2-step bring the car up to 5000rpm. Yellow, Yellow, Yellow, Side step the clutch and we're off.

The crappy ET Streets rip the front end off the ground and 20' later start to spin. I adjusted left slightly and kept the car as strait as I could. 6800rpm comes really quick and I stab the clutch and I rip it into second gear. 6800rpm comes quick once again and I rip it into 3rd. Seven and a half seconds later it is over. We were nose and nose the whole way down the track. :drive:

We both got off the track and the Mustang pulls up next to me. I yelled "TO CLOSE TO CALL?!?!?!" The driver of the Mustang yells back "NOW THAT IS RACING!!!!"

We both start down the return lane to pick up our time slips. The driver of the Mustang grabs his time slip and pulls off to the right hand side. I grab my time slip and it reads....

Camaro
R/T - .520
60' - 1.71x
1/8 - 7.52x
MPH - 93.9xmph

Mustang
R/T - .544
60' - 1.68x
1/8 - 7.51x
MPH - 94.3x

Left Lane 1st .018

I won on a hole shot! It was an awesome race. From the launch to the finish line no one could predict a winner. According to a friend of mine at the track, the crowd was on their feet for the end of the race.

The driver of the Mustang is a former F-Body owner and if he is on this board I wanted to say thanks for a great race, that was a lot of fun.

:cheers:

Roarin_8
12-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Sweet race, explain what winning from a hole shot means. :emb:

MeentSS02
12-10-2004, 01:27 PM
That two step sounds like it made all the difference...makes it much easier to get that holeshot advantage. That is on my list of things to get...

bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 01:31 PM
Sweet race, explain what winning from a hole shot means. :emb:

Winning from a hole shot means that you basically got out of the hole faster than the other guy. My reaction time was .520 and his was .544. I started moving .024 seconds before he did and the win margin was only .018.

If we both had equal reaction times I would have lost the race. He had a better 60' time, better 1/8 ET, and better MPH. I got the car moving a fraction of a second faster and that was all it took.

MeentSS02, that 2-step is deffinately worth the wait and the price paid. Especially if you plan on bracket racing in the future. You don't have to stare at the tach to make sure you have your launch RPM correct. You can concentrate on the tree.

:cheers:

Roarin_8
12-10-2004, 01:35 PM
Yeah I figured on the .024 time but where does .018 come in?

bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 01:45 PM
Yeah I figured on the .024 time but where does .018 come in?

I finished the race .018 seconds in front of the mustang. Because my car was moving forward .024 seconds before the mustang I had a very slight advange at the beginning of the race.

If my reaction time was say .530 I would have only had a .014 advantage at the beginning of the race and would have lost by .004.

I hope I am explaining this well. Its even tough for me to comprehend the difference when you are talking about hundreths of a second.

Roarin_8
12-10-2004, 01:51 PM
Oh wait I see, you have your last digits Xed out. 7.52x ti 7.51x Take the difference from those numbers and put in the .024 lead you had and that would come out to .018.
Good race. Wonder what would have happened in the 1/4.

bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 02:03 PM
Oh wait I see, you have your last digits Xed out. 7.52x ti 7.51x Take the difference from those numbers and put in the .024 lead you had and that would come out to .018.
Good race. Wonder what would have happened in the 1/4.

His MPH at the 1/8 was better than mine so I think in the 1/4 he might have had the advantage. He deffinately had me "out horsepowered" on that run. It would have been really damn close at the end of the 1/4 though.

:cheers:

Roarin_8
12-10-2004, 02:14 PM
True, been lookin at the other threads and noticed someone pulling a 1.70 60' with Khumo tires. That's a pretty good 60' for street tires that cost 88 dollars per.

bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 02:31 PM
True, been lookin at the other threads and noticed someone pulling a 1.70 60' with Khumo tires. That's a pretty good 60' for street tires that cost 88 dollars per.

I'm hard pressed to get a 1.7 60' out of the ET streets, let alone street tires.

We're getting a set of 28x9 ET drags for the begining of next year. I ran a used set of those tires about 4 or 5 months ago when the car was stock internal. They hooked so well I was only getting 1.7 60' out of those tires but side stepping the clutch at 6000rpm. Just not enough horsepower and they would bog at 18psi.

The car deffinately has enough horsepower for those tires now and they should hook really well.

Joegt38
12-10-2004, 03:45 PM
Very nice run!

WhiteTXMach
12-10-2004, 04:00 PM
Awesome :drive:

WS6T/A98
12-10-2004, 06:12 PM
Winning is winning :D

titanium barchetta
12-10-2004, 06:16 PM
Good story man, good race too!:cheers:

BigPlanTransAm
12-10-2004, 07:03 PM
sounds like an awesome race. now its time for your own poweradder :)
also, i dont know if you realise it or not, but reaction time has nothing to do with ET or mph. you do get to the end first, but not necissarily by driving the faster car.

bad2000ss
12-10-2004, 07:40 PM
Thanks for the replies everyone!

:cheers:

sounds like an awesome race. now its time for your own poweradder :)
also, i dont know if you realise it or not, but reaction time has nothing to do with ET or mph. you do get to the end first, but not necissarily by driving the faster car.

I do plan on adding nitrous spring time next year. Will be a Tax Return Nitrous System. :devil:

Of course Reaction Time has nothing to do with the ET or MPH. ET only measures the amount of time it takes to get from start to finish after the car is moving. It does not count the ammount of time you sat there after the light turns green.

This might help the "hole shot" explaination a little better....

Car 1 Runs a 7.50@94mph
Car 2 Runs a 6.50@104mph

Both Cars have a perfect .500 Reaction Time

Car 2 is capable of getting to the finish line 1.00 second faster than car 1. Neither car has the advantage of a head start due to a better reaction time, or "Hole Shot." Car 2 wins by 1 second.

Now winning due to reaction time.....

Car 1 has a .500 Reaction time
Car 2 has a 2.50 Reaction time

Car 2 is capable of getting to the finish line 1.00 second faster than Car 1, but Car 1 had a 2.00 second advatange due to a better reaction time or "Hole Shot." Car 1 wins by 1.00 second.

obZidian
12-11-2004, 02:59 AM
nice race, but i think you might of mixed the times up, camaro 7.52x stang 7.51x shouldnt it be the other way around?

great race though, i wish i had a cage for the vert. so i can have some of that fun!!!!

Vendetta
12-11-2004, 02:17 PM
Cobras are pieces of shit anyway. Ford had to throw a blower on there to keep up with GM anyway. Put a blower on an LS1 and watch what happens.


... :D

98redcavz24
12-12-2004, 03:36 AM
:jest: Are you trying to start this again? You crack me up man.

Vendetta
12-12-2004, 11:52 AM
:jest: Are you trying to start this again? You crack me up man.

:devil:

SouthFL.02.SS
12-12-2004, 01:20 PM
bad2000ss, great race story!
Gotta love this cam... loves the high rpms.

dan03mach
12-15-2004, 10:18 PM
Cobras are pieces of shit anyway. Ford had to throw a blower on there to keep up with GM anyway. Put a blower on an LS1 and watch what happens.


... :D
You meen to blow by GM.. Ford made the Mach1 to just keep up with them.. HAHAHA

Vendetta
12-15-2004, 10:22 PM
You meen to blow by GM.. Ford made the Mach1 to just keep up with them.. HAHAHA

I guess you don't get the joke. Way to be an asshole! :thumb:

git_sum
12-15-2004, 11:23 PM
:funny: