TSP MS3 dyno results, kinda dissapointed (kinda long)
01-07-2005, 03:24 PM
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TSP MS3 dyno results, kinda dissapointed (kinda long) Edited: Didn't feel the need to post again and bring this back to the top since I already have a couple threads going.
I went from 343 rwhp (SAE) to 396 rwhp (SAE) by adding SLP underdrive pulley and LS6 intake with retune.
I no longer have a problem to discuss, I guess the LS1 intake just sucks that much.
I went from 343 rwhp (SAE) to 396 rwhp (SAE) by adding SLP underdrive pulley and LS6 intake with retune.
I no longer have a problem to discuss, I guess the LS1 intake just sucks that much.
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01-07-2005, 05:44 PM
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was the cam installed "dot to dot"? I would expect 375 at least with your setup.
could be valve float?
I would expect 15 rwhp with LS6 intake and pulley. That would get you 360 but still a little low. Did Speed Inc. install it?
could be valve float?
I would expect 15 rwhp with LS6 intake and pulley. That would get you 360 but still a little low. Did Speed Inc. install it?
01-07-2005, 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by blkZ28spt
I am kinda dissapointed in what it did, but at the same time I think it'll be okay. To jump straight into the numbers (dyno tune at Speed Inc) it made 343 rwhp and 348 rwtq.
I was hoping for at least 350 rwhp, and how in the world did this came make more torque than hp anyway?? Torque peaks around 4,600 and the horsepower appears to peak right around 6k and then falls off. (the AFR goes a little rich from ~5,900-6,100, and the hp drops off there then comes back up but never to 340 again) Except for that little hump the AFR was basically right at ~13-1.
My first time there with LT's, duals, and a lid I made 319/337. Since then I added a TCI SSF3500, TSP ported TB, MS3 (237/242 .603/.609 113), and the dyno tune. Before the cam and TB, but with the stall, it ran 1.7's 60ft, 8.0's 1/8, and 12.6's 1/4 @106 on ET streets. Is it too much to hope for 11's as it sits now? I hope to find out in the next two weeks.
I'm going to withold final judgement until I get it to the track because we all know how much dyno numbers mean to a stalled auto but I'm still kinda bummed. I try to tell myself that I'm at nearly 345 and I have maybe 25rwhp on the table with LS6 intake and underdrive pulley which would get me to ~365 or so cam only through the unlocked 3500 stall converter and that doesn't sound too bad........thoughts? Input? Make a guess at my track times? Help me feel less bummed about the #'s since dyno numbers #'s alone mean nothing.
On the plus side it sounds mean as hell, even with the raised idle after the tune.
Any input appreciated.
Nathan
I was hoping for at least 350 rwhp, and how in the world did this came make more torque than hp anyway?? Torque peaks around 4,600 and the horsepower appears to peak right around 6k and then falls off. (the AFR goes a little rich from ~5,900-6,100, and the hp drops off there then comes back up but never to 340 again) Except for that little hump the AFR was basically right at ~13-1. My first time there with LT's, duals, and a lid I made 319/337. Since then I added a TCI SSF3500, TSP ported TB, MS3 (237/242 .603/.609 113), and the dyno tune. Before the cam and TB, but with the stall, it ran 1.7's 60ft, 8.0's 1/8, and 12.6's 1/4 @106 on ET streets. Is it too much to hope for 11's as it sits now? I hope to find out in the next two weeks.
I'm going to withold final judgement until I get it to the track because we all know how much dyno numbers mean to a stalled auto but I'm still kinda bummed. I try to tell myself that I'm at nearly 345 and I have maybe 25rwhp on the table with LS6 intake and underdrive pulley which would get me to ~365 or so cam only through the unlocked 3500 stall converter and that doesn't sound too bad........thoughts? Input? Make a guess at my track times? Help me feel less bummed about the #'s since dyno numbers #'s alone mean nothing. On the plus side it sounds mean as hell, even with the raised idle after the tune. Any input appreciated.
Nathan
01-07-2005, 05:52 PM
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I installed everything. It was dot to dot I'm hoping this is just a case of stalled autos not putting the dyno #'s down but still running the ET's. I need to double check but I think that 20-25 from the intake and pulley should be obtainable. If I got 22rwhp from both I'd be at 365 and should make at least 360 at any rate. That doesn't sound too bad through an unlocked converter, but still.......I don't like it 
01-07-2005, 06:07 PM
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You definitely need the LS6 intake, I think that would help a lot. The other thing is that you said it peaked at 6k and fell off. With a cam that big it should carry the power out until like 6600 or so then start to drop as it gets closer to 7k. That being the case you could have the cam installed improperly, could be advanced too much (could be ground with too much advance) or you could be experiencing valve float like was mentioned. What springs are you running on there? With a cam like that you need some high quality dual springs. If they aren't up to the task they could be floating at 6k. Is the rest of your valve train stock?
01-07-2005, 06:15 PM
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Dude i don't mean to sound like a dick but i'm putting down more power with a pretty much stock Ls1 all i have is a Varraram intake on my car u put down 340 rwhp 351Tq. There is definately something wrong with that setup, there are lots of A4 cars putting down 400+ RWHp on stock heads and Lt's.
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01-07-2005, 06:23 PM
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The Roll MAster Double has two sets of dots did you use the one one the nose or on the sproket, if you used the wrong one your like 15 degrees off. which could explain the numbers.
01-07-2005, 06:27 PM
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I really odn't remember with the dots but I did what it said and was sure at the time. If I did it wrong and was 15* off wouoldn't I have some PTV clearance issues with a cam this big?? Yes I know there are cars with like a lid and cat-back (and LS6 intake) that put down nearly those numbers but what about through an unlocked 3500 stall converter?
01-07-2005, 06:38 PM
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Your LS-1 intake probablly can't support the air the cam needs to breath at 6k rpm's. If your cam was 15 degrees off, the you would have far worse problems to worry about. I think your lack of mods is taking over in the HP department. Sounds like there are a few things that should have been bought before the cam swap. Just look on the bright side, you'r LS-6 intake will make a bigger diffrence now!
01-07-2005, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Beast96Z
Your LS-1 intake probablly can't support the air the cam needs to breath at 6k rpm's. If your cam was 15 degrees off, the you would have far worse problems to worry about. I think your lack of mods is taking over in the HP department. Sounds like there are a few things that should have been bought before the cam swap. Just look on the bright side, you'r LS-6 intake will make a bigger diffrence now!
Edit: I think it was unlocked.
01-07-2005, 07:14 PM
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You made 10 more rwhp than me(333rwhp,TR224) and I ran 11.60s at a 3500# race weight. You got easy mid 11s if you can 60' in high 1.5 low 1.6 range. The LS6 intake will wake it up. Good luck.
01-07-2005, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JaSSoN
You made 10 more rwhp than me(333rwhp,TR224) and I ran 11.60s at a 3500# race weight. You got easy mid 11s if you can 60' in high 1.5 low 1.6 range. The LS6 intake will wake it up. Good luck.
i love the vette guy with the "almost stock" comment. an unlocked 3500 converter vs a stock converter is a HUGE difference!. what does your vette run? i hope it goes at least 11.XX's with 340hp.. the guy above is going 11.60' w/ 333rwhp (starting to see my point? )
screw the dyno #'s, as long as you got your a/f in line you are good to go. please update with track times, i for one am curious. track times are all that really matter. dyno's CAN also mess up- there are too many factors.
good #'s
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01-07-2005, 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JaSSoN
You made 10 more rwhp than me(333rwhp,TR224) and I ran 11.60s at a 3500# race weight. You got easy mid 11s if you can 60' in high 1.5 low 1.6 range. The LS6 intake will wake it up. Good luck.
. I should be able to 60' well. I pulled a few 1.72's before the cam and there might have been a smidgen left in it. I have no doubt I will be able to pull a 1.6X 60' at any rate. I will definately post track numbers when I get them (maybe put a link to the thread in this one and post it in the racing section). I'll either be going "okay now I'm really concerned WTF" or I'll be glad that I witheld final judgement until I went to the track. I keep telling myself that dyno numbers on a stalled auto don't mean much and I'm trying to believe I can pull a sub 12 even without the LS6 intake or pulley. Thanks for the replies, anyone else with input feel free.
Nathan
01-08-2005, 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Juiced
there are lots of A4 cars putting down 400+ RWHp on stock heads and Lt's.
FWIW,i have seen very few cam only A4s with 400rwhp.and not to mention your probably losing 15-20 hp with a 3500 stall.
01-08-2005, 12:26 AM
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yah with it being unlocked those #'s seem semi reasonable...hit the track, then put on the pulley and intake if you really feel the need to post nice dyno numbers get that stuff done and lock the converter and you'll probably be damn close to 400 to the wheels cam only
