Street Racing & Kill Stories - 05 mustang vs. 02 ws6!!!3 races....

not my cars just reporting what happened.i work at a dealer that carries all makes and we just recieved a 44000 mile ws6 aut with a lid and cat back.so the porter that works here just bougt an auto 05 mustang.the mustang does have a programmer thats all.

anyway first race was just over a 1/4 mile long from a dead stop.the mustang ended up putting about 4 cars on the ws6 and the driver said the ws6 hiccuped off the line....

next race was froma 30mph roll with the mustang racing till just into 4th gear(a little over 100mph) and the mustang put about 3 cars on the ws6....

last race from about a 40mph roll,this was a closer race with the mustang just keeping his rear bumper ahead of the ws6....


anyway there ya go just reporting....

I was outrun by an 05 Mustang 2 days before I sold my T/A. It was a modded lt1 with a hot cam, headers,rr's, etc. I was very surprised to say the least. I did have a bad plug wire though which didn't help. Anyways, the 05's are no joke especially with a good tune that gets rid of the factory limiter/governor.

Was this an '05 Mustang GT? If so, Ford must have stepped the GT up a little because I raced a '99 GT in my Z28 and beat it pretty good. Good kills though I guess, even if you weren't one of the drivers.

If you got outrun by an 05 GT..........try pushing the pedal on the far right all the way down. That will take care of it. You are such a waste of space and lies. You could have at least lied about something we could believe. Enough said. The guy with an LT1 and a bad opti or wire got beat by an 05. So you are saying the LS1 was a car slower than an LT1 with a bad wire/opti??? Is that what you are trying 2 say??? AND..each race the mustang was lossing more and more ground??? M O R O N S. :eyes:

yea...im callin bull shit...no way the auto 05 stang pulled on a ws6...especially by that much...this report is BS, unless of course as previously mentioned, the ws6 wasnt racing

no bull.....just tellin it like it is.

i actually looked iton buying the ws6 but our used car dept put to much into it to make it a good deal.

oh btw the kid with the 05 also beat a 5.7gto from a 60roll to about 110 before they stopped.

also i dont have any reason to tell ya lies......i really dont care.i have had my share of fast cars and unbelievers.

no bull.....just tellin it like it is.

i actually looked iton buying the ws6 but our used car dept put to much into it to make it a good deal.

oh btw the kid with the 05 also beat a 5.7gto from a 60roll to about 110 before they stopped.

also i dont have any reason to tell ya lies......i really dont care.i have had my share of fast cars and unbelievers.

Roger, you sir, are a lieing sack of stupidity. Unless the ws6 was running on 6 cylinders it would walk an 05 gt just like the previous years. Not only do the 05 mustangs weigh more than we do, we make more power. No way the ws6 looses the race unless it wasnt trying or has mechanical error.

you guys are too silly,cant i get any respect in here anymore??weres the old posters at??

i have driven the new 05,s and they run very good,almost as good as my mach ran when i owned it.would you believe that my mach bone stock with just a old pair of drag radials would turn high 12,s.....

i will bet this guys 05 will run 13.30,s with the tune it has.

Just out of curiosity....if you are a mustang fan/owner and own/owned all mustangs, WTF are you doing at an LS1 site because under my impression, only GM produced the LS1....................

used to know a few peaple around here when i was more into the street race sceen.considering the car i have now im not much into racing right now.have to spend my money on more important thing.........like the 4 kids and wife i have at home.

Whoa guys, chill out a little. The 05 Stang was not stock it had a tune. From what Ive heard the stock tune on the 05's sucks. The fact that he beat him by 4 cars is a little hard to stomach, but whatever. Anything can happen on the street. Good spectator kill.

ah ok, im just curious why there are so many mustang/cobra owners on this site. Just curious what you guys do here

I don't get the hostility. The guy's relaying a story, not saying HE did it, so unless he's trying to sell 05 Stangs to die-hard F-bod luvers, I don't think he's lying.

Let's look at what he's saying...

A NEW 05 Mustang that hasn't really had time to be ragged out, with some sort of minor programming against...

A USED, more-than-likely ragged out WS6, with lord-knows-what wrong with it, waiting to be hoisted upon some unsuspecting buyer, from one of those scumbag used car sales fuckers that'll say, "it used to be owned by a little old lady from pasadena", knowing it was launched over a curb, has frame-damage, a couple of dead plugs and a slipping clutch.

I believe it, given the parameters involved.

BTW, I've gone against an 05 GT recently in my 00 LS1 with nothing but a lid and exhaust and it wasn't pretty. A good 2-3 cars before he gave up, then gave me the ricer fly-by.

I am the owner of the '05 in question. In the first race, my buddy said the WS6 fell on it's face off the line and he gave up, so it really wasn't a race. The second time, I pulled about a length and a half to two lengths on him from a 30 and kept a steady pull until about 110 when we shut down, I imagine he would have started to reel me in thereafter. The third run, he shifted manually from about a 40, he tagged the limiter a bit, but I had already edged about half a car on him and the steady pull came back once again, then we had to quickly shut down.

I also raced an LS1 GTO on the highway from about a 60, and also steadily pulled him by about a car, then the pull decreasaed a bit, but he wasn't able to reel me in.

I am in the process of setting up a race with a friend of mine with an LS1 GTO w/ a Diablo Predator

As for my car, it has an SCT XCalibrator 2 tuned by PSI Motorsports in Webster, TX. I have it set on the 93 tune right now, other than that it is completely as it came from the factory.

Believe it if you'd like, I couldn't care less. If you'd be interested in seeing how your car(s) runs against a 99% stock '05 GT auto, comoe on down to Galveston, I'll lime up.

Kevin

Good second-hand kill roger

i have driven the new 05,s and they run very good,almost as good as my mach ran when i owned it.would you believe that my mach bone stock with just a old pair of drag radials would turn high 12,s....

:bs:

Kevin

I don't see why this story bothers people. The 05s appear to respond very well to mods just like the LS1 does, but even more so with a tune. Take into consideration that the WS6 just arrived there, so unknown condition and a driver who is not used to it. That could've played a big part in the race too.

:punch: ......thats what i would do to your 05!!! :usa:

:punch: ......thats what i would do to your 05!!! :usa:

just like I put a whoopin' on the Mach at the track in a measly all motor 2V :engarde:

guys i know i don't have many post here so im not very credible but im True Blues roomate and can vouch for him and Roger. Hes not known to tell a fib. He knows I'm an avid GM lover and would call BS on him if i thought it was :bs: . His 05 feels very strong, and i was in the car when we inched away from the GTO. I doubt the Ws6 was in tip top shape but i don't doubt that his car is a very good match for most stock LS1s. (the 05s can get out of the hole very strong even on street tires) I'll bring my sisters 00 stock Z28 down when it gets out of the body shop and we'll have a friendly match (Z has run 13.1 at 104.8 stock) It ought to be a good run.

Something was very wrong with that WS6 I would have to say. I have driven an 05 GT and (I KNOW THIS IS STOCK WITH NO TUNE OK) at 75-80mph they die like they dropped two cylinders. I also raced an auto ( NO WAY TO MISS SHIFT) in my 94 LT1 with an intake and Blowmaster and pulled hard on him up top on the highway...hard. I like the 05's and I'm not a hater. I did however see an 05 GT that had some kind of bugnet on the front end...yes a bugnet. It was FUGLY :barf:

dude that is hella B.S.!!! i think he meant it the other way guys, the WS6 pulled the hell on the 05. theres guys here on this site i bet with only a lid and catback pulling on 05.

Something was very wrong with that WS6 I would have to say. I have driven an 05 GT and (I KNOW THIS IS STOCK WITH NO TUNE OK) at 75-80mph they die like they dropped two cylinders. I also raced an auto ( NO WAY TO MISS SHIFT) in my 94 LT1 with an intake and Blowmaster and pulled hard on him up top on the highway...hard. I like the 05's and I'm not a hater. I did however see an 05 GT that had some kind of bugnet on the front end...yes a bugnet. It was FUGLY :barf:

before my programmer, my car would fall on it's face at the 3-4 shift.

dude that is hella B.S.!!! i think he meant it the other way guys, the WS6 pulled the hell on the 05. theres guys here on this site i bet with only a lid and catback pulling on 05.

you're right, we fabricated this entire story because it sounded like fun. There's guys on every site beating everyone in every car, face it, my tuned '05 auto beat an LS1 w/ a FIPK and a catback, sorry to burst your bubble.

well we know there are plenty of peaple from houston here......anybody want to bring there stock or near stok car down??

some of you guys act like little girly men,there just cars...... :confused:

Hard to believe unless the 02 dynoes 275 RWHP.

But hey I wasn't there, so what can I say.

Ok , heres the deal coming from an 05 mustang gt 5 speed owner. i believe this is bs if the gt only had a tune. the 05 mustangs have electronic throttle bodys with hella lag and its so f'in expensive to get one to run '10s. yeah i do not believe that an 05 gt can beat an ls1. period.

Ok , heres the deal coming from an 05 mustang gt 5 speed owner. i believe this is bs if the gt only had a tune. the 05 mustangs have electronic throttle bodys with hella lag and its so f'in expensive to get one to run '10s. yeah i do not believe that an 05 gt can beat an ls1. period.


Props...


You have 2 nice looking cars in that sig.


:cheers:



Sorry for the interrupt but I have not seen a new Stang with those rims and especially that color combo.

heh thanks! the other car in sig is my best friends 99 z28

ah ok, im just curious why there are so many mustang/cobra owners on this site. Just curious what you guys do here

:stupid: jesus you guys must be really bored.
if you wanted to make this any bit believable, you shoulda said it was a mach 1 or something at least it might have a chance....and if the car is not running right that is a stupid fucking race....well my camaro is missing a spark plug here and there but what the hell i'll put $100 on me

:bs: Based on my experience last weekend (7-24-05). I own a 2001 Trans Am with just a blowmaster catback and my grandfather owns an '05 auto Mustang GT. He let me take out the GT by myself. Nice power but not LS1 power, especially low end torque and high end hp. Not to mention, when I floored the throttle, the throttle response was not there.

man you guys are harsh, it really did happen, the TA may not have been 100% (it just came into the used car dealer, what are u expecting lol) Neither of these guys have anything to gain by lying. A few newer GTs with just tunes and intakes have gone low 13s, i don't see whats so unbelievable, obviously by the sputter claimed on the launch on the TA it is having some tune issues. The GT is strong and once the weather cools down im sure he will follow me out to HRP when im running the GN so he can get some times on it. I know the LS1 was touched by the hand of God but come on guys, these aren't 04 Gts and the new 5 speed auto in the GTs is surpisingly good after the tune. Anyways you guys can choose to ignore it but not all Ls1s run low 13s after 40,000 miles of unknown care, and not all GTs are stuck in the high 13s. :punch:

you're right, we fabricated this entire story because it sounded like fun. There's guys on every site beating everyone in every car, face it, my tuned '05 auto beat an LS1 w/ a FIPK and a catback, sorry to burst your bubble.


:lurk: That is what you get when you have....is that 5 posts since November of '03!

heh thanks! the other car in sig is my best friends 99 z28

Man i must say that before your car i didnt liek the new stang look. Seeing yours changes that. I LOVE the 2 tone hood. Fuggin goregous man. GJ



John

ure a joke because the 05 gts run mid 13 second 1/4s' not going to pull 3 cars on a ws6 with lid/catback

I think the 05's that are running low 13's with a tune and mild bolt on's are the 5 spd's. The automatics suck, no offense. It isn't a great feat to beat an LS1 that sputters and is probably running on 7 cylinders. You could probably beat a viper thats running on 5 spark plugs also. That broken down LS1 would probably also fall prey to a V6 camaro as it sits. Given equal drivers the hp to weight ratio of an LS1 to an auto 05 mustang tells no lies. It should be a unanimous victory for the LS1. :engarde:

Yo trueblue I'll def line up with ya
I live in friendswood so, time and place I'll be sure to embarrass you for
all the f-body fellas!!

:funny: Word

If this story is true then it's all on the drivers. The mustang owner actually owns the car and the ws6 driver just jumped behind the wheel. I have a friend with a 99 GT. I have beat him over 10 times even when he sprays his 100 shot. We use my car to pace how much faster his car has become after mods. However, one time I jumped on the gas too hard at the track and spun 1st and all of 2nd. I thought I caught him still but he the timeslip said he beat me by .001 sec. So even he has won one. It's all about the driver and how he knows his car.

so we have it. most of the guys thats driven an 05 says it blows. so in other words it couldnt have smoked a WS6. hey trueblue not to burst your bubble but i think the dude with the ls1 probably couldnt drive... face it the 05 gt doesnt put out as much hp as the WS6.

sounds like bs to me cuz I ran a few brand new 05 gt's and i freakin smoked em when I used to have my full bolt on 01 ss. but what the hell do I know anything can happen on the street .....right.

Yo trueblue I'll def line up with ya
I live in friendswood so, time and place I'll be sure to embarrass you for
all the f-body fellas!!

yeah, judging by your sn, I am sure you would "embarass" the hell out of me. :eyes:

so we have it. most of the guys thats driven an 05 says it blows. so in other words it couldnt have smoked a WS6. hey trueblue not to burst your bubble but i think the dude with the ls1 probably couldnt drive... face it the 05 gt doesnt put out as much hp as the WS6.

did I come on here boasting that I beat an all mighty LS1 or that my car makes more power than the LS1? No, Roger posted this and you guys were calling him out and now here I am telling you what happened. I know the car doesn't make nearly the power an LS1 does, shit, my last 2V didn't make nearly the power my current Mustang makes and it was faster.

sounds like bs to me cuz I ran a few brand new 05 gt's and i freakin smoked em when I used to have my full bolt on 01 ss. but what the hell do I know anything can happen on the street .....right.

you're right, actually, you are all right, thanks for clearing it up for me, I'm glad that I have all you guys otherwise, I might actually enjoy my car. :eyes:

I call BS on this as well. Right after my 6-speed swap still getting used to shifting gears and 2.73's in the ass end I got tore the fuck up off the line but after i got it high rpm's in 1st i started gaining ground. I didn't beat him but i hung with his ass on a A4 tune in a M6 car with 2.73's in the ass. And i didn't have anything on the car at the time except CAI, Lid, and TB. Now with those same mods with 3.73's and a M6 tune I killed an 05 gt by 3 car's. Those overweight boulder holders can't run for shit after about 100 even with a tune. My buddy has an 05 with a tune and exhaust work and he can't keep up with me after about 80 mph in his A5. Hail LS1 and F-body's they are the dominatrix of the street. :hail:

haha. you thick-headed, whiney baby LS1 owners make me laugh. :jest:

those 05 look okay. but theres no way the stang smoked a WS6. im not bashing trueblue. its all good dude...but no way that 05 smoked a WS6.

I suppose you guys wouldn't believe that I went 13.185@101.5 on stock gears, stock H-pipe, stock filter and 17" drag raials in an '01 GT ALL MOTOR, either, would you? :judge:

Kevin

Just out of curiosity....if you are a mustang fan/owner and own/owned all mustangs, WTF are you doing at an LS1 site because under my impression, only GM produced the LS1....................

I own an 04 Cobra that will crack your ass and I am on here because alot of LS1 owners think there cars cannot be beat now I know it is not all of you I know alot of sensible LS1 owners that realize any car can be beat on any given day but the ones of you that don't think that are hilarious.

I own an 04 Cobra that will crack your ass and I am on here because alot of LS1 owners think there cars cannot be beat now I know it is not all of you I know alot of sensible LS1 owners that realize any car can be beat on any given day but the ones of you that don't think that are hilarious.

amen.

QUOTE: I suppose you guys wouldn't believe that I went 13.185@101.5 on stock gears, stock H-pipe, stock filter and 17" drag raials in an '01 GT ALL MOTOR, either, would you?


Exactly, we wouldn't. :)

QUOTE: I suppose you guys wouldn't believe that I went 13.185@101.5 on stock gears, stock H-pipe, stock filter and 17" drag raials in an '01 GT ALL MOTOR, either, would you?


Exactly, we wouldn't. :)

yeah, I figured you guys wouldn't. After all, how could a close to stock all motor Mustang be fast on motor? right? :eyes:

i beat a surpercharged 05 gt- vortech @ 7psi.

me= around high 12's on street tires probably mid on nitto's

we were both on street tires. i had him by a few cars, he obviously did not launch as good as i did, but he WAS NOT pulling. my freind with a 99 trans-am was racing with us- he got me by a car length (obviously ahead of the mustang also) and all he has is bolt-ons also, but the t/a was on nitto's.

so- stock gt vs. stock ws6- hard to believe the gt won at all, but if it did it wasn't by much.

well the reason the a5 gt falls on its face after third gear is because 4th and 5th gears are just overdrive gears. ford designed it to have nasty 1,2,3 gears for acceleration and 4 and 5 gears for fuel mileage. GM was the same with the 4l60e, has an insane first gear 3.06, good second gear 1.62, third is a little shy of an OD gear with a 1.00 ratio, and 4th is a .7 for overdrive. im not 100 percent sure about mustang gears, but am positive that 4 and 5th gears are overdrive gears. and a 40 hit in a a4 ls1 is suicide without a stall and a tune, surprised no one has mentioned that yet. he even said the t/a wasnt running right, and we all know anything can happen on the street. im kinda interested in how the a5 gt runs and would like to see some dyno numbers and track times :) ive raced a few 05 gt m5's and have won, but interested in what bolt on ones run. because like the ls1 they do take well to bolt on's. remember guys know thy foe :devil:

Hey while were at it, I'm sure that my 98% stock 1990 Corvette could never beat an LS1 right? WRONG! 245hp from the factory, 89k miles, and I've put down about 3 LS1 f-bodies.

Have a nice day.

Hey while were at it, I'm sure that my 98% stock 1990 Corvette could never beat an LS1 right? WRONG! 245hp from the factory, 89k miles, and I've put down about 3 LS1 f-bodies.

Have a nice day.

Not even possible, could never happen, :judge: lol jk, everybody here seems to forget that not all LS1s are created equal and a mid to low 13s sec car will beat an LS1 that is not in 100% proper order(and even some in good working order), so i would say a bad tune and probably 87 octane put in by the dealer and its probably a high 13 sec car at best now. I'm a diehard Ls1 fan and love driving my sisters car on the street or on the track but some of ya'll seem a little nieve in your beliefs.

wow, I've been utterly obbsessed with F-bod cars since i was a tiny kid, and i have respect for the new mustangs. factory set shifting never is the best on a car, and after a tune can be quite different. As for the ws6 im sure it had problems if it did indeed sputter off the line, and due to that may have been at a loss of HP, and possibly the driver wasnt used to the car, but there were infact too many variables in control of each car to have any of us who did not witness the race call into question the actual winner of the races. i think with a ws6 with a unfaniliar driver, possibly some engine problems, and racing against a 05 gt with a nice tune, there is plenty of room for a ls1 to loose the fight. Now a newly dropped in ls1 with a tune, against a tuned 05 gt, that would be a good fight, but even with two brand spanking new cars there is still alot of possibility. :drive:

QUOTE: yeah, I figured you guys wouldn't. After all, how could a close to stock all motor Mustang be fast on motor? right?

Thats my point, a stock 05 auto mustang is not a fast car. I'm not saying it can't respond to mods and be run quick. You can only run so fast with a stock car, stock hp, stock weight, etc. What did you expect to happen when your friend posted about a considerably slower car raping a faster car by 6 car lengths? Something is obviously wrong with this picture. :secret2: A stock 05 auto Gt is not competition for a stock WS6. Equal mods and their is still no competition. What you are comparing really are drivers and not cars, and you can't make a comparison with a car that isn't running right. What was the point anyway in starting a thread on an LS1 forum about smoking a WS6 by 6 car lengths? You beat a faster car that had a mechanical problem, with a slower car.......neat.

PER set a new Nitrous record today at NMRA@ chicago running 9.10 w/ their orange 05 GT http://www.per-race-engines.com/images/IMG_5846.JPG

I have yet to race an 05 GT.

QUOTE: yeah, I figured you guys wouldn't. After all, how could a close to stock all motor Mustang be fast on motor? right?

Thats my point, a stock 05 auto mustang is not a fast car. I'm not saying it can't respond to mods and be run quick. You can only run so fast with a stock car, stock hp, stock weight, etc. What did you expect to happen when your friend posted about a considerably slower car raping a faster car by 6 car lengths? Something is obviously wrong with this picture. :secret2: A stock 05 auto Gt is not competition for a stock WS6. Equal mods and their is still no competition. What you are comparing really are drivers and not cars, and you can't make a comparison with a car that isn't running right. What was the point anyway in starting a thread on an LS1 forum about smoking a WS6 by 6 car lengths? You beat a faster car that had a mechanical problem, with a slower car.......neat.

:zzz:

Well let's just say this. My friend in his 05 gt against my intake and exhaust Z looses by about 1 or 2 car lengths from a 40mph roll to 90. He is getting a tune soon along with his magnaflows. So once we run again I'll let you guys know.

BTW, he's not gonna beat me ;););)

:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: X 1000

haha. you thick-headed, whiney baby LS1 owners make me laugh. :jest:

So if you don't like ls1's and ls1 owners, why the hell are you on this site?!?!?

last time i checked this website was
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b279/Lightemupls1/LS1tech_logo.gif
and not
4.6tech.com

please someone correct me if im wrong

So if you don't like ls1's and ls1 owners, why the hell are you on this site?!?!?


:offtopic: but sweet stang.... Not a mustang fan but yours is sweet

Must have been a 6 cyl. T/A w/ WS6 badges and a Ram Air Hood.

once again not trying to bash, but man i raced one 05 GT....and it was a raping. that was before the full exhaust. if it happened congrats...i guess. but in all honesty i would not count on it ever happening again if you race another one. now if it was about a year older and had svt tags...then i would be singing a different tune. :secret:

Louie

I suppose you guys wouldn't believe that I went 13.185@101.5 on stock gears, stock H-pipe, stock filter and 17" drag raials in an '01 GT ALL MOTOR, either, would you? :judge:

Kevin

LOL ... Let's see the slip. I'm 100% positive you don't have one.

The 2005 Auto GT's are mid-high 13's cars and the 5-speeds are mid 13's (lowest BONE STOCK one ran 13.39 as I recall) BUT...remove the carbon trap,re-tune it, and put on CAI and an auto (which dynoes stock at 260ish) will hit around 280rwhp. 1-4th are racing gears (4th being 1:1), there is no double OD in the new A5, the ratio's are just MUCH closer. The auto with these mods should hit 13.2-13.5 in the 1/4 in perfect circumstances. Now...Most WS6 LS1's that i have seen/heard of run around 13.1-13.3 BONE STOCK. Therefore I will have to say that if it was CAR vs. CAR in perfectly good running order, the WS6 would overtake the GT at around 50-60mph and pull on him from there out.

It is something to note that if the valvetrain were replaced and the computer re-tuned the 3v 4.6's will pull to 6800 or so before falling on their face. Also, as to falling on the face...In 1:1 gear the spark advance does NOT ADVANCE past 5200rpm. with a stock tune (this leads to the common complaint of "it fell on its face and the LS1 pulled busses :( ) Sorry this was so long, just felt like throwing in my 2 cents as well.

After all the talk about the 05's on this thread, I had a burgendy one try and race me on the way home tonight. It was almost spooky to have one try and race me shortly after posting about them earlier today. It sounded good(don't they all) and I could tell he had exhaust, but as for other mods I have no idea. He kept riding my tail for several blocks and then pulled up beside me. He down shifted and looked over at me when I was at the bottom part of 3rd. I was going a little too fast to down shift so I stayed in 3rd. We hit it and I pulled ~2 cars on him until I was ready to shift into 4th. As I was shifting into 4th I looked in the rearview mirror and saw his blinker on. He turned and went back the other way. I know I'm not exactly stock so I won't brag about it, I just thought it was funny. I wish I was still stock with my bent pushrod and all, so I could have something more to add to this thread.

ps. I realize I did have a big advantage, so you guys won't find me bragging about pulling 2 car lengths in 3rd on an 05' on the corral or stangnet lol.

Yeah i'm still wondring why trueblue wants us to believe that a 05 gt a6 can beat a m6 t/a ws6. And if anyone has their doubts on me im also looking into buying a 30th anniversary t/a so i do prefer ls1 over 4.6 crap. I've raced a lot of F-bodys and im sick of losing. This mustang is great to cruise in to get people to stare out thier ass at your car but id prefer power over looks.

I must say, that is a great looking mustang you have lordsauran. I'm an x mustang guy myself. I had a 4.6l with heads and cams and was still getting embarrassed by the f-bodies. I didn't want to lower my compression and go with a supercharger, so I crossed over to the other side. :secret2: The only thing I miss is the sound. The sound of the LS1 has slowly grown on me over time, but still doesn't quit=4.6l mustang. I guess what it comes down to is I would rather have the performance of an LS1 rather than the sound and performance of a 4.6l.

I'd like the video of him doing that ET. The fastest bone stock 99+ GT is have even seen run is 13.7@101

LOL ... Let's see the slip. I'm 100% positive you don't have one.
Yah seriously trueblue you can make all of us shut our mouths by dropping that timeslip a pictures worth a thousand words!!! ;)

Personally, I think it's half dozen one or the other. I used to have an F-body (95 TA A4) and now I have a Fox GT. I will say that from 94-04 the mustang was nothing to talk about...(other than cobra's Mach's) But I do belive it is possible for the 05 GT to pull on a less than perfectly tuned WS6 (considering the GT was new and had a tune and the WS6 had who-knows-what up with it.)

All i have to say about the 05 a5 stang with only a tune raping a WS6 with intake and exhaust is :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:

:werd:

HAHA, the only reason I am on this board is 'cause you fags started bashing roger, when he wasn't involved. When I get back to my apartment, I will look for that slip, that was ahile ago, but I tihnk I still have all of them. JD, 99PewterZ71 or whatever his name my roomate and was there that night and can vouch. I guess you guys don't understand the concept of a light car, great weather, and a good driver. I wouldn't expect you guys to anyway. You guys only think cars with huge numbers can be fast, whatever. Go check out www.modulardepot.com, TONS of bolt-on 99-04 GTs in the 12's, but I guess that's all BS, too, huh?

as for the WS6, no one said there was anything wrong with it, you guys just assume there HAS to be something wrong with it if it gets beat by anything other than an LS1, OH NO!!!! Anyway, a friend of mine has an LS1 GTO and he drove the car, said it felt strong, just thought I'd add some more fuel to your cry-baby fire. :jest:

untill I can get the slip, here is my car on the Mod Motor ET list from Modular Depot, this was before I broke 12's, after 4.30s and longtubes. Anyway, believe it or not, I don't give a fuck.

68 . TrueBlue - 13.18 @ 101.85 ( 2001 GT 5 SPD )

here is the link to the page, under 99-04 1/4 mile
http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?threadid=185

Kevin

Got a few buddies running 12.80's with gears, shifter, mid pipe catback and a tire. it's not hard to do with a 99+ GT. how much weight was dropped in that GT to run 13.18?

Got a few buddies running 12.80's with gears, shifter, mid pipe catback and a tire. it's not hard to do with a 99+ GT. how much weight was dropped in that GT to run 13.18?

the car crossed the scales with me in at at right over 3300 and the DA was below zero.
My car ran a best of 12.91 and trapped as high as 106.7 with longtubes, 4.30s, and drag radials in the middle of August last year, car weighed in at 3270 then.

IM confused, you admit to the WS6 making more power than you and the weight being not really a factor but you dont understand why we think somethings wrong with it?? 05 GTs are dogs just like all the other GTs, especially a fucking POS Ford auto car LOL. Please keep your BS kill stories to your Ford buddies on other websites that actually believe this shit and get hard ons when you tell them, we know better. Did I say GTs are slow?? I did ok....

IM confused, you admit to the WS6 making more power than you and the weight being not really a factor but you dont understand why we think somethings wrong with it?? 05 GTs are dogs just like all the other GTs, especially a fucking POS Ford auto car LOL. Please keep your BS kill stories to your Ford buddies on other websites that actually believe this shit and get hard ons when you tell them, we know better. Did I say GTs are slow?? I did ok....
I Wouldn't be so fast to say they are slow. In stock form maybe. There will be a day a NA GT whips your ass :D Oh wait there are bolt on and cam 99+ GT's in the 11's.

I Wouldn't be so fast to say they are slow. In stock form maybe. There will be a day a NA GT whips your ass :D Oh wait there are bolt on and cam 99+ GT's in the 11's.



Id love to see an NA GT "whip my ass". Keep believing that "11 Sec club" under my name. :D

Ken from MD is running 10.83 on motor no power adder w/ a 2000 GT.Tthere are some out there.

Always someone faster.;)

Always someone faster.;)



Of course, wont deny that. I just try and make the faster than me ones far and few between. :cheers:

Of course, wont deny that. I just try and make the faster than me ones far and few between. :cheers:
Agreed. Now if the ex would let me do that with the Z/28 things would have been great :D LOL.

in other breaking news:

stock 05 honda civic with larry's take of wing walks a stock 05 mustang gt by three cars.

jk

-chris

IM confused, you admit to the WS6 making more power than you and the weight being not really a factor but you dont understand why we think somethings wrong with it?? 05 GTs are dogs just like all the other GTs, especially a fucking POS Ford auto car LOL. Please keep your BS kill stories to your Ford buddies on other websites that actually believe this shit and get hard ons when you tell them, we know better. Did I say GTs are slow?? I did ok....

I don't want to burst your bubble but the new A5 trannys seem like a great tranny so far, i don't know about durability wise, but gearing wise and keeping the car in its power band it seems to be as good as the 4l60e in my sisters Z. With the tune the shift firmness was increased and it shifts very firm and at the right times. Like I said hopefully i can get a couple days with my sisters 00 auto Z28 and we will video tape some runs between his 05 GT and the Z. It was involved in a wreck a couple weeks ago. It ran 13.16 at almost 105 so it should be a good run for sure. (it will have a 3" catback though)

in other breaking news:

stock 05 honda civic with larry's take of wing walks a stock 05 mustang gt by three cars.

jk

-chris

:jest:

all of you ls1 guys are silly.......i dont think your i.q. combined adds up to the post count on this thread................

i heard the same stuff when i had the mach,nobody could believe it until i started racing some of the guys that post here.my mach NEVER lost to a stock ls1 car............never...

the 05,s with a good driver run very well.if you own an 05 and dont think they run good then go learn to drive.

all of you ls1 guys are silly.......i dont think your i.q. combined adds up to the post count on this thread................

i heard the same stuff when i had the mach,nobody could believe it until i started racing some of the guys that post here.my mach NEVER lost to a stock ls1 car............never...

the 05,s with a good driver run very well.if you own an 05 and dont think they run good then go learn to drive.



Yeah you called asshat, we all have an IQ below 100 and rode the little bus to school. Too bad we couldnt be cool like all of the Mustang guys and ride the big bus. :eyes:


If your Mach never lost to a stock LS1 car then you know a bunch of non driving mother fuckers. Ls1s and Machs are geneally a drivers race with LS1s being stronger if they are both strong cars.

yeah maybe they ALL didnt know how to drive.... :eyes:

why dont you live in the real world,these cars are closer than you think.

general times for a ls1 car good(13.1)to bad(14.20)

same for the mach

general times for 05 car good(13.20)to bad(14.30)

also the best time i have heard of with a bone stock 05 auto was a 13.26,a little hard to believe for me but numerous peaple have recorded 13.50's out of the autos.

yeah maybe they ALL didnt know how to drive.... :eyes:

why dont you live in the real world,these cars are closer than you think.

general times for a ls1 car good(13.1)to bad(14.20)

same for the mach




I agree with that, I just said that Machs and LS1s are usually a drivers race MEANING if you never lost to a stock LS1 then they couldnt drive as the races should have gone back and forth.

Hey, lets end this. If a guy with a gun was chasing you........would you want him to be driving a Mustang or an LS1 SS/TA??? Id be very happy to see him in a mustang. Thats all I can say. JK. Didnt you mustang guys get the memo. They really are pretty slow. You guys even jump over the 3:73's, the 4:10's and go straight to the 4:30's!! I think that says enough right there! Id love to see a GT, Mach or Cobra with 4:30's chasing after me. Last kill I had with a 4.6 was a full bolt on 5spd 4:30 GT w/nos and lets just say it wasnt pretty for him and he had the jump.....FLAME on boys! :gay:

you guys are too silly,cant i get any respect in here anymore??weres the old posters at??

i have driven the new 05,s and they run very good,almost as good as my mach ran when i owned it.would you believe that my mach bone stock with just a old pair of drag radials would turn high 12,s.....

i will bet this guys 05 will run 13.30,s with the tune it has.

No to both

Hey guys the 05 is an improvment but over what? It is ALMOST equal to the F-bodies from 1998...It F$cking 2005! Does it really take that long to improve?

Hey guys the 05 is an improvment but over what? It is ALMOST equal to the F-bodies from 1998...It F$cking 2005! Does it really take that long to improve?


GM proved hp doesn't sell vehicles. Luckily we have a few choices of stangs to choose from. If hp was what Ford was concerned about then they would have just slapped in their cammer motor, which is suppose to come in an upcoming Boss mustang.

There is a motor.......$20k for what 350-400hp???? Who really cares? The point is someone raced two cars. An 05 GT with a tune and a WS6 with the MAF unplugged. You really know what would settle this. Take a 4.8 LS1. Do anything to keep it NA. Take a 4.6....anything to it NA. The 4.8 LS1 would still take the 4.6. Thats weak.

Did you guys see the first 9 sec 05 GT has a S/C 5.0 motor? Not even the new motor. Why is that? :devil:

jay play.........your stupid,listen to yourself.......it happened,who cares go have a drink and come back when you grow up. :)

Guys... this is the street car, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN!!! And for the morons asking why ford owners are here...


just watch what you say, because we more then likely might know just a tad bit more about these cars then yourselves ;) Not to mention, you should ALWAYS KNOW your enemy

Did you guys see the first 9 sec 05 GT has a S/C 5.0 motor? Not even the new motor. Why is that? :devil:


IDIOT!! There are more 8 second mod motor cars then there are ls1's in the 8's and MOST in the 9's...


WHY IS THAT????????

You guys trying to flirt or what. Big Bronco and Roger, you guys do sound like a sweet couple...but all aside. The 05 didnt beat the WS6. I bet any WS6 owner here would bet thier cars on that. I ran one myself but ofcourse it wasnt even fair. Boys, imagine if all LS1's were equiped with forged internals. Youd have 5 times the 8 second times. I also own an 01 GT morons. Id fuc&ing slit my wrist if I had to get that thing in the 12's! Got it to mod it. 10's with 4K investment on my SS......I gave up. Swallow guys. :)

You guys trying to flirt or what. Big Bronco and Roger, you guys do sound like a sweet couple...but all aside. The 05 didnt beat the WS6. I bet any WS6 owner here would bet thier cars on that. I ran one myself but ofcourse it wasnt even fair. Boys, imagine if all LS1's were equiped with forged internals. Youd have 5 times the 8 second times. I also own an 01 GT morons. I fuc&ing slit my wrist if I had to get that thing in the 12's! Got it to mod it. 10's with 4K investment on my SS......I gave up. Swallow guys. :)


well lets see here......


A) I am a super moderator here on ls1tech
B) I Run/Manage an Ls1/2/6/7 AND Mod Motor Mustang SHOP
C) You are dumb

I have worked on some of the fastest ls1's and LT1 in the world. I know exactly what i am talking about here. We are currently building a mod motor cobra that will do 8.0's in the quarter.

This race was held on the street, were MANY things can happen. Drivers are CRUCIAL... traction sucks, etc. etc. etc.

Why is it so hard to believe? Check yourself man, it is not that difficult to do. I LOVE ls1's. I have put many together, and would rather have a built ls1 over a built mod motor. But coming from someone who is building a boosted 4v.... I think I know.. and after seeing a few new stangs run 13's it is not that hard to believe... IT IS STREET RACING, I HAVE SEEN COROLLAS BEAT LS1's!!@#!@~!@#!$@#!!!!

What is teh real problem here? I just have a lid and catback and I ran 13.2 at the track. That mustang would not leave me by 4 cars, but if my traction sucked, maybe it would. Need more details. What kind of tires? WS6 condition? MAYBE the mustang was in tip-top shape for his tune!!! Maybe the stang was on his game and the WS6 was not. Cmon guys...

Hey, take your pills man. Focus and breath. As a 4.6 owner, I would N E E D a Turbo, S/C or Nos to have competitive street car. Not so with the LS1. Turbo, S/C or Nos is an advantage, not a requirment. Thats just weak. Sure....we could spend as much as we want on a street/race car...then it wouldnt matter what motor we use! That you know. Someone on here with an 05 GT and a WS6 simply race. The 05 W I L L loose. Stock for stock and mod for mod. Keep it going.

Hey, take your pills man. Focus and breath. As a 4.6 owner, I would N E E D a Turbo, S/C or Nos to have competitive street car. Not so with the LS1. Turbo, S/C or Nos is an advantage, not a requirment. Thats just weak. Sure....we could spend as much as we want on a street/race car...then it wouldnt matter what motor we use! That you know. Someone on here with an 05 GT and a WS6 simply race. The 05 W I L L loose. Stock for stock and mod for mod. Keep it going.


whats your point? we all KNOW that if there was the same driver in both cars, same situation, etc. the ws6 will win. The ford was not built to DESTROY EVERYONE!!!!! They were built as an ergonomical street car that can run a nice mid 13 second 1/4

Quit being ignorant... there is less cubes, shittier heads on the mod motor... there is a LOT of power to be had with those motors, even with an NA setup.

and DO NOT TELL ME ls1's dont need turbos to be fast, when the FASTEST LS1's in the world are ALL FORCED INDUCTION CARS!

Why are we arguing? Do you also realize my sisters stock SRT-4 beat my 01 GT with flowmasters and a cai! Thats not right man.

for all of you 4.6 haters, here are some timeslips. For some reason, my 13.18 and 12.91 slips and a few others are not with the rest of my slips, but I will find them, although, I do have similar slips from the same nights, here...

1st, this was run with stock H-pipe, stock gears, 17" drag radials, race weight of 3300 lbs., and COMPLETELY stock motor(only mods were dumped mufflers, weight reduction, tires, great weather, and some fine driving), the 13.18 time was on a 1.7x 60' thid is a 1.96...

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3254/img_3394.jpg

2nd, these next runs were with 4.30s, longtubes, a 93 tune, 3270 lbs., 15" drag radials, and removed filter, removed front sway, front runners, other than that COMPLETELY stock motor, no induction, pullies, etc. ...

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3254/img_3393.jpg

almost 107 trap, spinning, ehh ...

http://www.mustangmods.com/data/3254/img_3392.jpg

those last two slips were diffent nights but the same setup. Like I said I ran a 13.185 the same night as the first slip, at a similar trap on a better 60'. And I ran a 12.91 on the second setup at more than 105 on a 1.68 60'.

Kevin

oh btw the kid with the 05 also beat a 5.7gto from a 60roll to about 110 before they stopped.

I know what the problem is here....IT'S THE CRACK. get off the rock man. those cars cannot hang top end. you should have said from 0-60 and maybe I would have believed it....but probably not

I know what the problem is here....IT'S THE CRACK. get off the rock man. those cars cannot hang top end. you should have said from 0-60 and maybe I would have believed it....but probably not

HAHAHA, go look at some of the times GTO owners post, don't EVEN tell me I can't hang with an LS1 GTO, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :jest:

he will be running another GTO here real soon that is stock with just a programmer....just like him.

one of us will let you know the outcome.

Hey, Kevin is it? Is that with the 05 GT?

for all of you 4.6 haters, here are some timeslips. For some reason, my 13.18 and 12.91 slips and a few others are not with the rest of my slips, but I will find them, although, I do have similar slips from the same nights, here...

1st, this was run with stock H-pipe, stock gears, 17" drag radials, race weight of 3300 lbs., and COMPLETELY stock motor(only mods were dumped mufflers, weight reduction, tires, great weather, and some fine driving), the 13.18 time was on a 1.7x 60' thid is a 1.96...



1.96 with drag radials? That is not so good IMO. I thought the live axle was supposed to be a monster off the line...nice runs all in all.

1.96 with drag radials? That is not so good IMO. I thought the live axle was supposed to be a monster off the line...nice runs all in all.

I know, that is why the 1.7x 60' is the better time.

Hey, Kevin is it? Is that with the 05 GT?

Sorry, no. That was with my old Mustang, 2001 GT M5.

Hey Kev, congrats on your new '05! Now I'll have someone to race this fall since my brother won't build his rear end in his M5 '05. We'll be down to have ya'll look at a couple of things soon on it and the Mach.

I suppose you guys wouldn't believe that I went 13.185@101.5 on stock gears, stock H-pipe, stock filter and 17" drag raials in an '01 GT ALL MOTOR, either, would you?

Kevin


So uhhh, I guess you don't have this slip, eh?

I'm glad you posted all the other ones you found, though. :)

So uhhh, I guess you don't have this slip, eh?

I'm glad you posted all the other ones you found, though. :)

nope, I'll find it, then you guys can get back to your circle jerk.

QUOTE: IDIOT!! There are more 8 second mod motor cars then there are ls1's in the 8's and MOST in the 9's...
WHY IS THAT????????

Because the 4.6l mod motor is more powerful and superior to a 5.7l LS1????? :eyes:

QUOTE: IDIOT!! There are more 8 second mod motor cars then there are ls1's in the 8's and MOST in the 9's...
WHY IS THAT????????

Because the 4.6l mod motor is more powerful and superior to a 5.7l LS1????? :eyes:

:jest:

Wonder what a GTO would trap at with 4:30 gears? I know it wouldnt be even close to the 4.6 but????? :eyes:

Good kill. I don't doubt it didn't happen, but I doubt it would happen again. Something had to be wrong with that Ls1. TrueBlue- Great times and all but from a roll an Ls1 fbody would still eat your lunch! You've got great traction, but thats all.

Good kill. I don't doubt it didn't happen, but I doubt it would happen again. Something had to be wrong with that Ls1. TrueBlue- Great times and all but from a roll an Ls1 fbody would still eat your lunch! You've got great traction, but thats all.

I never said it would happen again, I was just backign Roger. I will be racing the GTO here soon, from a stop and a roll, I will post what happens, win or lose, I really don't care.

Kevin

Somebody commented earlier about the 05 Mustang driver being a better driver, well how hard can it be to be a better driver with an auto? Just mash an the damn gas

Somebody commented earlier about the 05 Mustang driver being a better driver, well how hard can it be to be a better driver with an auto? Just mash on the damn gas

:funny: Classic. And true....oh wait...don't forget......"and drive straight" :jest:

You guys trying to flirt or what. Big Bronco and Roger, you guys do sound like a sweet couple...but all aside. The 05 didnt beat the WS6. I bet any WS6 owner here would bet thier cars on that. I ran one myself but ofcourse it wasnt even fair. Boys, imagine if all LS1's were equiped with forged internals. Youd have 5 times the 8 second times. I also own an 01 GT morons. Id fuc&ing slit my wrist if I had to get that thing in the 12's! Got it to mod it. 10's with 4K investment on my SS......I gave up. Swallow guys. :)


:stupid:

My friend has a 2V NA GT that goes 11.50's my Cobra makes 565rwhp so get over it the LS1 is not the end all be all of motors it is a very strong motor but so are mod motors it all comes down to $$$$$ speed costs. If you want a car that is fast from the start buy a Cobra, spend a grand and make 450rwhp and never pull off the valve covers. And by the way I kill LS1 cars all the time even modded ones so they can and do get beat. Also if LS1's are the greatest why don't the make them anymore?

your damn straight its a classic, its just a bunch finger pointing in here

:stupid:

My friend has a 2V NA GT that goes 11.50's my Cobra makes 565rwhp so get over it the LS1 is not the end all be all of motors it is a very strong motor but so are mod motors it all comes down to $$$$$ speed costs. If you want a car that is fast from the start buy a Cobra, spend a grand and make 450rwhp and never pull off the valve covers. And by the way I kill LS1 cars all the time even modded ones so they can and do get beat. Also if LS1's are the greatest why don't the make them anymore?

I don't think any rational person here thinks the LS1 really is superior to anything. But it "broke out" in a big way, and for a "larger" cube motor, it likes to pull hard up top as compared to the LT1. The flat torque curve is nice too. It may bog a tad off the line, but that is the ONLY gripe LS1 owners have had. And a set of gears changes that.

Regarding why the FBods are dead....it had nothing to do with how "great" the LS1 is/was. It's all about mass volume and sales, which Ford did hit the mark on. I'm just glad I kept mine and didn't sell out.

I for one am glad I have a car that is getting rarer on the road. Shit, everyone's got a Mustang. And I bought my Z28 for $23,700....not bad to get a mid-to-low 13 sec car off the showroon floor eh?

okay, I just watched an 05 Mustang on Car and driver get whacked all-day-long by an 05 GTO. I have seen the 05 Mustang in action. Namely against my 2000 SS Camaro. They guy who was driving the 05 Mustang GT at the time pulled up next to me wanting to race. From the go, I was beating him like a stepchild in a woodshed. either the WS6 had mechanichal problems, or the WS6 lost due to "operator error". In either case, it's already known that the new Mustangs can't take an LS1,2 or 6 for that matter. Just my 2 cents. Either way, I made that guy feel real bad about for the amount of money he spent on that brand new Mustang GT. I felt bad for him.............NOT :lol: no bull.....just tellin it like it is.

i actually looked iton buying the ws6 but our used car dept put to much into it to make it a good deal.

oh btw the kid with the 05 also beat a 5.7gto from a 60roll to about 110 before they stopped.

also i dont have any reason to tell ya lies......i really dont care.i have had my share of fast cars and unbelievers.

:stupid:

My friend has a 2V NA GT that goes 11.50's my Cobra makes 565rwhp so get over it the LS1 is not the end all be all of motors it is a very strong motor but so are mod motors it all comes down to $$$$$ speed costs. If you want a car that is fast from the start buy a Cobra, spend a grand and make 450rwhp and never pull off the valve covers. And by the way I kill LS1 cars all the time even modded ones so they can and do get beat. Also if LS1's are the greatest why don't the make them anymore?
Well that's great that you kill LS1's "all the time even modded ones" I hope you don't think you'll kill every single LS1 you pull up to. Anyway Nice power on your cobra, but can't win em all

This is all interesting.

I beat a 03 Mach1 with Nitto DR's with my Street Tires.
A few times from a dig, put about 1 1/2 by the end everytime.
A few times from a roll, put about 1 car on him everytime.

This is all interesting.

I beat a 03 Mach1 with Nitto DR's with my Street Tires.
A few times from a dig, put about 1 1/2 by the end everytime.
A few times from a roll, put about 1 car on him everytime.

congratulations.

Guys no telling what running condition the WS6 was in... and I see no reason to lie... even if he is a Ford guy. I have walked a 05' GT with my WS6 with lid, MAF, and Throttle body alone... by a good car and 1/2 at the 1/4 Mile. That WS6 may have just been a POS and the Stang just a strong one with good tune..

Two things for snakebite... 1. Because they use almost the exact motor for the LS2... and 2. I would be your huckleberry any day.

[QUOTE=snakebite]:stupid:

My friend has a 2V NA GT that goes 11.50's my Cobra makes 565rwhp so get over it the LS1 is not the end all be all of motors it is a very strong motor but so are mod motors it all comes down to $$$$$ speed costs. If you want a car that is fast from the start buy a Cobra, spend a grand and make 450rwhp and never pull off the valve covers. And by the way I kill LS1 cars all the time even modded ones so they can and do get beat. Also if LS1's are the greatest why don't the make them anymore?

Hey Bro..you think Im scared to run your cobra? You ONLY have 535 to the rear wheel. I am a guy with plenty of surprises and yet to loose aginst a slowbra. Read my last kill dingleberry..a 911 TT X50 w/ ac on.....motor only from a light. Ive got plenty for big headed guys like you too, Im just not arrogant about it until provoked. Ive put down about 8 Cobras so far........But who really cares. An 05 GTO/WS6 will beat the paint off the GT. Good day

Read my last kill dingleberry..a 911 TT X50 w/ ac on.....

Really? You sure about that? I think you've tipped us off in terms of your (lack of) technical knowledge.

Hey G-Unit...Im sure you know the one Im talking about! Maybe not, its you. :cry: I still had ac until top of 2nd......

yeah, judging by your sn, I am sure you would "embarass" the hell out of me. :eyes:

:bang:

Actually thats about right. They are around an LT1. My buddy in GA has an 05 GT Auto w/4:30's and flowmaster and it went 13.40 @ 104. Its faster than the Charger though. :eyes:

Oops... im wrong....13.4 @ 106......John calm down. I corrected it. :cry:

Really? You sure about that? I think you've tipped us off in terms of your (lack of) technical knowledge.

Boy I really hate it when that happens :bang: lol its amazing how much i hear that.

Well that's great that you kill LS1's "all the time even modded ones" I hope you don't think you'll kill every single LS1 you pull up to. Anyway Nice power on your cobra, but can't win em all


no I don't think I will kill every LS1, there is always some one faster but that is the point I am trying to make. Some people are calling bullshit on the 05's kill of a WS6 when they were not even there. I have much respect for LS1 equipped cars the are fast and have alot of potential.

[QUOTE=snakebite]:stupid:

My friend has a 2V NA GT that goes 11.50's my Cobra makes 565rwhp so get over it the LS1 is not the end all be all of motors it is a very strong motor but so are mod motors it all comes down to $$$$$ speed costs. If you want a car that is fast from the start buy a Cobra, spend a grand and make 450rwhp and never pull off the valve covers. And by the way I kill LS1 cars all the time even modded ones so they can and do get beat. Also if LS1's are the greatest why don't the make them anymore?

Hey Bro..you think Im scared to run your cobra? You ONLY have 535 to the rear wheel. I am a guy with plenty of surprises and yet to loose aginst a slowbra. Read my last kill dingleberry..a 911 TT X50 w/ ac on.....motor only from a light. Ive got plenty for big headed guys like you too, Im just not arrogant about it until provoked. Ive put down about 8 Cobras so far........But who really cares. An 05 GTO/WS6 will beat the paint off the GT. Good day

Actually it is 565 but that is not the point stop thinking so close minded LS1 cars can be beat so can Cobras, Hemi's and every other combo in the world so just because you say you say this and read that does'nt mean that that particular 05 did not beat that particular WS6. And as far my power for 50 bucks and a retune I can make 600+rwhp that is the joys of pulley changes. Also I am not big headed I just get tired of people like you trying to call out people how are just trying to post a story you are the one who said "you think I am am scared to race you". I never said you were but you sure brought it up so maybe you are. I like how you know exactly how many Cobras you have put down I can't tell you how cars I have beat but you can count yours on your hands. And as far as your 911 kill who cares what are they mid 11 sec cars that is not impressive.

OK, I finally agree. We no longer need to argue. THAT race, the tuned GT beat WS6.....whatever the reason. Flat tire, maf unplugged, floormat jammed under the gas pedal.....whose to say. Atleast we can all build our cars and bitch back and forth about who is faster. Thanks to Chevy and Ford. God Bless America. WS6 still wins..................JK :)

I still had ac until top of 2nd......

So at WOT your A/C still works huh? :jest:

Please enlighten us regarding the mechanics behind that. I think you have the only LS1 in the world that does that.

...and for the record, a 565rwhp can trap 129-130mph. You running that yet? I doubt it based on your mods.

So at WOT your A/C still works huh? :jest:

Please enlighten us regarding the mechanics behind that. I think you have the only LS1 in the world that does that.

...and for the record, a 565rwhp can trap 129-130mph. You running that yet? I doubt it based on your mods.
Oh yeah unit....You don't wanna see how much power I got on my SS with my mods :jest:

You don't wanna see how much power I got on my SS with my mods :jest:

My LS1 went 13.0 @ 107mph N/A. I think it could've given you a run for your money! :D Of course it went a little quicker on the sauce.

You guys are like a gay posse! How do you maintain an advantage when you exspose yourself? You always maintain an advantage. The goal is 900rwhp. So even if I have 634rwhp, maybe more...its not enough. Its been enough so far, but one day. Oh yea, I forgot...youre unbeatable. :eyes:

jayplays remark reminds me of that video somewhere on the net were this guy with a camaro keeps getting beat by some honda.after every loss he has some excuse.one time he yelled out"aww man my a/c was on!!!".....classic.

unit was right at least we know were you stand when it comes to automotive knowledge......

Oh yea, I forgot...youre unbeatable. :eyes:

Nope...never said that. There are thousands of cars on this site alone that could beat me. I've always said that my shit is slow.

I'm still waiting on the A/C explanation. :jest:

'05's are dogs. Talk to enough people that own them and you'll see. Everyone I've talked to locally that has one says the same thing- they're slow. Not one good thing to say about them. I ran a '05 GT A5 with exhaust in my stock TA M6 and put 2-3 cars through 2nd gear, when the other guy gave up.


As for pre-'05's, we have a guy locally that had an '03 GT 5sp with cai, tb, chip, x-pipe, cat-back, 3.73's, and 17" DR's run a "best" of 13.55 @ 103 w/ 1.76 60. He was leaving off the rev limiter every time because it would bog if he left any other way. This was at sealevel in the fall with like ZERO humidity and temps around 65ish. And yes the guy could drive. He banged that tranny so hard that he eventually ended up breaking it.

And I'm gonna believe that somebody else an low 13's/high 12's with less work in god knows what conditions?? Yeaaaahh.....











Jon

'05's are dogs.

In stock form, I agree with you 100%. They are showing signs of tremendous potential though. There's one in the 9's already...didn't take very long.

A friend is building one that will be hit with a 300shot...should move pretty well.

In stock form, I agree with you 100%. They are showing signs of tremendous potential though. There's one in the 9's already...didn't take very long.

A friend is building one that will be hit with a 300shot...should move pretty well.





I would hope so, lol :) Anything with that much jug should move pretty good.

I didn't know the conversation had moved to how well the '05 GT's take to mods. I stopped wading after like page 3-4.

And I'm not even going there....













Jon

OK, Lets take it slow. If you or roger have a problem keeping up, I can set this to music with a bouncing ball......

A traffic light. A yellow Porsche. A black SS. AC blowing nice and cold. A few revs.....Green light. A little making up through first....then into 4th...he was 2+ cars behind until he let off....ac switch still on and then a funny thing.....ac was blowing after I let off the gas. Need the bouncing ball? Sure we all know the comp. wasnt on under full load, the switch was. So I guess you could say I started with the ac on and then when I was done it was back on. Boys......F O C U S. :) You two are kinda scary huh? I can see you two 2gether swimming with arm floats. :)

I stopped wading after like page 3-4.



I didn't even read those. :lol:

hey i like arm floats....... :)

now listen to this......it doesnt matter if your a/c was on,it should cut off on WOT so it dint change the outcome........get it.

now listen to this......it doesnt matter if your a/c was on,it should cut off on WOT so it dint change the outcome........get it.

:nod:

I Love you guys. :angel:

The A/C excuse makes sense to me. When mine is on it FEELS like I'm down 25+hp. I would never race anyone with the a/c on, at least on purpose. You don't launch at wot, and between shifts you let off the throttle (at least I do). The time you spend at any other point other than wot, the a/c will be sucking down the hp. Power under the curve is affected big time. :drive:

Thank you. Atleast one guy who feels a noticable difference when his air is on too. People just love trying to pick your story apart. I still won pretty well, I was just saying Im sure there is a car length+ to be had w/o starting off w/ac....oh well. :judge:

'05's are dogs. Talk to enough people that own them and you'll see. Everyone I've talked to locally that has one says the same thing- they're slow. Not one good thing to say about them. I ran a '05 GT A5 with exhaust in my stock TA M6 and put 2-3 cars through 2nd gear, when the other guy gave up.


As for pre-'05's, we have a guy locally that had an '03 GT 5sp with cai, tb, chip, x-pipe, cat-back, 3.73's, and 17" DR's run a "best" of 13.55 @ 103 w/ 1.76 60. He was leaving off the rev limiter every time because it would bog if he left any other way. This was at sealevel in the fall with like ZERO humidity and temps around 65ish. And yes the guy could drive. He banged that tranny so hard that he eventually ended up breaking it.

And I'm gonna believe that somebody else an low 13's/high 12's with less work in god knows what conditions?? Yeaaaahh.....
Jon

believe what you want about the 01 GT, it ran what it ran and for the mods it ran very strong. the car you talk about is slow, with 103 traps and a 1.76 it should be 12.9-13.0, some where he is losing time. Just because one car can't that automatically means the others can't as well? BTW there was always a white GT at the track that is a local friend of ours, he rarely broke mid 13s as well and had every bolt-on you could, GTs don't care for TBs plenums, CAI or many other small bolt ons unless its a lot more upgraded. One other thing, these are all at Houston Raceway Park, the track prep is always decent, its sea level and lotsa people get best times there. About the 05s being Dogs... sure after 80 or so an LS1 will start to pull pretty good on a stock or slightly modded 05 GT, but low 13s with just a tune is nothing "doggish" at all. I guess all those 13.6-8s at 106 i see here in stock or even slightly modded sigs must make them dogs as well :jest:

Thank you. Atleast one guy who feels a noticable difference when his air is on too. People just love trying to pick your story apart. I still won pretty well, I was just saying Im sure there is a car length+ to be had w/o starting off w/ac....oh well. :judge:

LS1 PCM turns the A/C off at full throttle, period.

Go out to your car, run around with the A/C on for 10 minutes .... then turn it to normal cold fan, w/o A/C ..... it will still be cold for a minute or two, even though the A/C is OFF .... exactly what happens when you go WOT for 10 seconds.

Regardless of what you feel happens in your 630 whatever rwhp beast ... your A/C is not on during a WOT run. If you really pay attention, after the race when you let off the gas, you can hear/feel the A/C kick back in.
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as far as the '03 bolt-on GT goes, there is definately something wrong there, JD said, with a 1.76 60' and 103 traps, the car should run MUCH better than that. Just because he can "bang" gears and break transmissions makes him a good driver? Shit, he doesn't know his shift points very well, there is something going on mid-range there. You can call BS on me all day long, I have nothing to prove to any of you guys, you mean nothing to me, seriously, if you don;t think low 13's and high 12's are capable out of a mildly modded 2V, you are a retard, as I stated before WEIGHT matters. My old GT crossed the scales at 3270-3300 w/ me in it AND I know where to shift, 13.55, shit I ran that on street tires with a 2.0 60'. :eyes:

Shit, I have learned two things today! 03 Bolt on GT's run 12's and launching with your ac on actually helps durring a race. :eyes:

Shit, I have learned two things today! 03 Bolt on GT's run 12's

actually, it was an '01 :judge:

I have an 01 GT and Id love to know how to get it in the 12's! Mustang sites tell me 4:30's and juice....... :eek2:

I have an 01 GT and Id love to know how to get it in the 12's! Mustang sites tell me 4:30's and juice....... :eek2:

no juice needed, nor do you need 4.30's. The only reason I ever had 4.30's was cause I planned on camming it. :drive:

Its my Girls car, I have a CAI, Flowmasters, off road, ported tb which was a waste and Im scared to run it......what now?? 355's ? I got to get it faster!!! Its an auto!! :cry:

an auto GT is going to be hard to get into the 12's without forced induction or a stoker motor. I had all the bolt on stuff on my old 01 and could get low 13's with no weight reductions GT motors leave alot to be desired, 4V mod motors are the way to go.

Thanks for the advice. Low 14's it is!! If youre in Ft. Lauderdale and a Yellow GT pulls up.....Watch out! :)

Id love to see an NA GT "whip my ass". Keep believing that "11 Sec club" under my name. :D

it would be a cold day in hell when that one happened :mad:

My LS1 went 13.0 @ 107mph N/A. I think it could've given you a run for your money! :D Of course it went a little quicker on the sauce.
Well unit hopefully one day I can hang with a KB cobra, but until then let the mods continue :devil:

Its my Girls car, I have a CAI, Flowmasters, off road, ported tb which was a waste and Im scared to run it......what now?? 355's ? I got to get it faster!!! Its an auto!! :cry:


Maybe longtubes, a nice stall and a shift kit might get you close but those autos are pretty crappy in the previous mustangs. A lot of money just for 12s in an auto GT

believe what you want about the 01 GT, it ran what it ran and for the mods it ran very strong.


Thanks, I will. And if you want to drive that ragged piece up here and show those 12.9's with just an exhaust and a tire then I'll happy to watch.



the car you talk about is slow, with 103 traps and a 1.76 it should be 12.9-13.0, some where he is losing time.


I don't know where you get your MPH = ET from. 103 is right on par for mid-13's unless you're running a 5.13+. Yea, I know he's losing time, I think that the contributing factor there was the sorry ass 281 Ford decided to put in there.



Just because one car can't that automatically means the others can't as well?


Tell me why? Our track here is sealevel with almost always outstanding prep and some of the best weather conditions you could ask for in the early spring/ late fall. Not ALL of the 2v Mustang guys the Tri-city Richmond area suck at driving, so you're telling me it's something else.... I know, you just have a "freak" Mustang. Must be the only one in the country. Post up some links to slips/video's/etc. where others are running 12's with a stock 2v GT.



About the 05s being Dogs... sure after 80 or so an LS1 will start to pull pretty good on a stock or slightly modded 05 GT,


Actually it was before we even reached 60 the other week when I raped an '05 GT from a dig. About 2-3 cars. But you're right about after 80, yes...it would have only gotten worse for him.



but low 13s with just a tune is nothing "doggish" at all. I guess all those 13.6-8s at 106 i see here in stock or even slightly modded sigs must make them dogs as well :jest:


They're "dogs" IMO for what's there. A "claimed" 300HP in a "newly designed" 3v motor, getting whooped by a 5yr old car (still using "ancient" pushrods) that's "claimed" 305HP as well. You can sit here and type bllshit 'til the cows come home but the fact is I've yet to hear of a bone stock 3v in the 12's. And we ALL know they're IS such a thing with a few LS1's, obviously not the norm. What was that about "dogs" again.....













Jon

should we listen to yuo then Jon????looking at your times your not a great driver yourself.....

i have seen a few bone stock 99 to 04 gts run high 13,s

just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it hasnt happened.i have never seen a bone stock ls1 car run faster than a 13.36 but does that mean that they dont??

believe what you want about the 01 GT, it ran what it ran and for the mods it ran very strong.


Thanks, I will. And if you want to drive that ragged piece up here and show those 12.9's with just an exhaust and a tire then I'll happy to watch.



the car you talk about is slow, with 103 traps and a 1.76 it should be 12.9-13.0, some where he is losing time.


I don't know where you get your MPH = ET from. 103 is right on par for mid-13's unless you're running a 5.13+. Yea, I know he's losing time, I think that the contributing factor there was the sorry ass 281 Ford decided to put in there.



Just because one car can't that automatically means the others can't as well?


Tell me why? Our track here is sealevel with almost always outstanding prep and some of the best weather conditions you could ask for in the early spring/ late fall. Not ALL of the 2v Mustang guys the Tri-city Richmond area suck at driving, so you're telling me it's something else.... I know, you just have a "freak" Mustang. Must be the only one in the country. Post up some links to slips/video's/etc. where others are running 12's with a stock 2v GT.



About the 05s being Dogs... sure after 80 or so an LS1 will start to pull pretty good on a stock or slightly modded 05 GT,


Actually it was before we even reached 60 the other week when I raped an '05 GT from a dig. About 2-3 cars. But you're right about after 80, yes...it would have only gotten worse for him.



but low 13s with just a tune is nothing "doggish" at all. I guess all those 13.6-8s at 106 i see here in stock or even slightly modded sigs must make them dogs as well :jest:


They're "dogs" IMO for what's there. A "claimed" 300HP in a "newly designed" 3v motor, getting whooped by a 5yr old car (still using "ancient" pushrods) that's "claimed" 305HP as well. You can sit here and type bllshit 'til the cows come home but the fact is I've yet to hear of a bone stock 3v in the 12's. And we ALL know they're IS such a thing with a few LS1's, obviously not the norm. What was that about "dogs" again.....













Jon


wow, first off its not my car nor did i claim it to be, but i did see it happen. 103 traps in a GT is fairly strong especially with gears, so mid 13s is slow. Those traps are right on for a mid 13 sec LS1 car but not a geared 2V GT. (my sisters bone stock 00 auto Z28 ran a 13.16 at 104.8 on a 1.96 60 ft, imagine with a 1.76) Maybe you still live in LS1 land where LS1s put down 320 rwhp and are still low 13s and maybe a freak high 12 at best, with 106-108 traps. The fact is LS1 based cars in close to stock form usually don't ET well for their mph. 106-108 in most cars i.e. (my buick Gn, 5.0 mustangs, stalled LT1s, 2V GTs etc) with a decent 60 ft which seems so hard to find by looking at a few sigs around here... :bang: 106-108 should be a mid 12, or even a tad lower.
Nobody claimed a bone stock 3V was in the 12s... they aren't and i don't remember saying they are. I can't believe im in here sticking up for mustangs lol, im one of the biggest GM fans (but im a realist) around and would definitely give True Blue (ya know the owner of the car in ?) a hard time if i knew he was lying or if he got beat. Here are some facts that nobody is denying, the LS1 is an awesome motor, putting out much more power than 300 from the factory, it responds to mods well, nobody is denying it and 95% of good running LS1s will have no problem with slightly modded 05 GTs, but they are close enough in performance that variables can effect the outcome of the race.

should we listen to yuo then Jon????looking at your times your not a great driver yourself.....

i have seen a few bone stock 99 to 04 gts run high 13,s

just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it hasnt happened.i have never seen a bone stock ls1 car run faster than a 13.36 but does that mean that they dont??








Like I said, post up some proof. I've not only never seen, but also never heard (in rags/on the net/from friends/etc.) of any stock GT in the 12's. I can't believe I'm even arguing this, lol.

As for my times, no I'm not Evan Smith or anything, but I can handle my own. That ET in sig was not only the first time at the track (also a track that I had never raced at before) with the car, but the first time driving a 6sp LS1 ;)










Jon

wow, first off its not my car nor did i claim it to be, but i did see it happen. 103 traps in a GT is fairly strong especially with gears, so mid 13s is slow. Those traps are right on for a mid 13 sec LS1 car but not a geared 2V GT. (my sisters bone stock 00 auto Z28 ran a 13.16 at 104.8 on a 1.96 60 ft, imagine with a 1.76) Maybe you still live in LS1 land where LS1s put down 320 rwhp and are still low 13s and maybe a freak high 12 at best, with 106-108 traps. The fact is LS1 based cars in close to stock form usually don't ET well for their mph. 106-108 in most cars i.e. (my buick Gn, 5.0 mustangs, stalled LT1s, 2V GTs etc) with a decent 60 ft which seems so hard to find by looking at a few sigs around here... :bang: 106-108 should be a mid 12, or even a tad lower.
Nobody claimed a bone stock 3V was in the 12s... they aren't and i don't remember saying they are. I can't believe im in here sticking up for mustangs lol, im one of the biggest GM fans (but im a realist) around and would definitely give True Blue (ya know the owner of the car in ?) a hard time if i knew he was lying or if he got beat. Here are some facts that nobody is denying, the LS1 is an awesome motor, putting out much more power than 300 from the factory, it responds to mods well, nobody is denying it and 95% of good running LS1s will have no problem with slightly modded 05 GTs, but they are close enough in performance that variables can effect the outcome of the race.





Dude, you're not going to change my mind.

1. 2v GT's with an exhaust and a tire do not run 12's.

2. I never said that you said 3v GT's run 12's stock. I was simply stating "why" IMO, '05 GT's are dogs, which is what I was asked. The answer, AGAIN, is that they don't compete with "age old" technology in cars that can be up to 7yrs older with same "acclaimed" HP, and the 3v is supposed to be "new" technology.

3. I'm not in "LS1 Land" on the MPH + ET thing either. I think YOU are either in "1969 427 4sp 4.56 With Less Than A 26" Tall Tire Land", or "I've Got An AWD Turbo And run 13.0's @ 102 Land".












Jon

Dude, you're not going to change my mind.

1. 2v GT's with an exhaust and a tire do not run 12's.

Not on a regular basis no, but weighing in at 3300, exhaust and a really great track prep to go along with negative density altitudes= it happened, deal with it.
2. I never said that you said 3v GT's run 12's stock. I was simply stating "why" IMO, '05 GT's are dogs, which is what I was asked. The answer, AGAIN, is that they don't compete with "age old" technology in cars that can be up to 7yrs older with same "acclaimed" HP, and the 3v is supposed to be "new" technology.
no offense to Fbod owners here but as stated hundreds of times, why would they care to compete with a car and motor thats not even made any more? I'm as sad as anybody that the Fbods are gone and the mustang didn't have much to do with its demise but it doesn't need any more hp to compete or outsell, so why bring the risk of more warrenty claims. The 03-04 cobra did just fine and offered anybody willing to pay to play the chance at a very strong car.

3. I'm not in "LS1 Land" on the MPH + ET thing either. I think YOU are either in "1969 427 4sp 4.56 With Less Than A 26" Tall Tire Land", or "I've Got An AWD Turbo And run 13.0's @ 102 Land".


No thats LS1/04 cobra ET to mph relationships, they trap high with ok ETs. A turbobuick running 108 runs 12.2-12.3 usually while most LS1s run 12.8-9 unless its a heavily stalled auto. 60 fts win races, i dont' know what you don't understand about what i wrote. The majority of cars at the track will have a much better ET for a given mph than the typical Fbody. I have a friend with a mildly modded Gn that ran 12.75 at 101 haha. I once ran an 11.68 at 112.8 on 17 psi (low boost) and pump gas. I didn't believe his mustang would run that fast either but ive been at the track there everytime he has run it and the numbers and mods were legit. If you don't believe me thats fine. I've got nothing to gain :judge:

What part of "dude you're not going to change my mind" didn't you understand?

It's ok though, you can have the last word... ;)










Jon

jesus, i am locking this thread so the DUMB can not leak out.....