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YoungGunLs1
11-01-2005, 09:59 PM
I have a Stupid question, and I was not sure where to exactly put this so I am sorry if this is the wrong section :emb:

I am a fairly new LS1 owner, and I have never driven nor been a rider in another LS1 car. My car is a M6 with 27,000 miles with a borla catback, and whisper air lid.

My question is, when driving at 5-10 mph maybe even slower, just at a roll in first gear and stomping the pedal to the floor should my car be able to break the tires loose? I have read some comments of guys in the street racing section claiming their stock or near stock cars at about 10mph can break the tires loose. My car definately pulls hard but I am just worried she isnt putting out the power she should. I don't have the funds to get it dynoed, and I have no 1/4 mile track near me so I cant get a 1/4 mile time nor a dyno number so I turned to you experts on here. Is this normal? Is there any advice on a way to take my car out and find a way to see how she compares to everyone elses stock form cars? And yes my traction control is turned off when trying this. I just wanted to hear what you all think. Any information would be great.

Thanks everyone!!


qwikz28
11-01-2005, 10:08 PM
you're expecting too much. take it to the track and see what it does

1994Z28Lt1
11-01-2005, 10:08 PM
i dont have an ls1 but i do know it depends a lot on the surface of the road you are on new pavement vs. worn pavement, concrete, etc just as a comparison my lt1 m6 doesn't have any problem breaking them lose completely on concrete and then for a ways once i hit second but on say pavement it hooks up pretty hard and once in a while will break them loose pretty good it also depends alot on air temp and road temp and what kind of tires you have so i wouldn't throw up a turd flag quite yet try to run someone with the same car/mods and maybe have them drive it or something if you have a friend or know someone with similar cars


iwantanls1
11-01-2005, 10:49 PM
i know what you mean........if you think it pulls hard, than thats all you need to know. There are so many factors that effect traction, so I wouldn't worry about it. Save up and get it to a dyno or track and then you'll know for sure. Sometimes my car loses traction easily in 1st, some times it hooks. I understand where you're coming from tho, there's nothing like low end torque and breaking those tires loose! don't drive yourself nuts thinking about it.

oodahss
11-01-2005, 11:16 PM
when my car was stock there were only certain times it would break loose. Don't assume its a turd...........just start modding the hell out of it. BTW your gonna be mad after modding about traction so enjoy it now!

oodahss
11-01-2005, 11:18 PM
whats traction control? :)

hawaiiboysz
11-01-2005, 11:19 PM
Maybe your clutch sucks.

Cop Car
11-01-2005, 11:39 PM
turn off your traction control

anyways you dont want tire spin, tire spin is bad

luv2spd
11-02-2005, 01:33 AM
When my car was stock it would break them lose but only once it was high in the power band.

NO5.0
11-02-2005, 08:10 AM
I think your rollin too low in rpms, my car always hooked if i mashed it to the floor rollin that slow. now if you bring the rpms up a little youll see your more in your power range. By the way my car ran a 13.27 so it was no slouch. Tires and surfaces do have something to do with it but i believe your just hitting it down too low, i wouldnt worry about it. If wheel spin is what you want try revving it to about 3000-3500 rpms while rolling at 5mph and see what happens! you wont win any races though.

YoungGunLs1
11-02-2005, 08:44 AM
Thanks for all the replies guys, I am now not feeling so worried. I kindda figured it might have to do with not being in the power band, but I just remember that my 94 Z28 A4 with 3.23 gears would spin them at a 5 mph role, but that car seemed like a factory freek too. :drive:

And it is not that I want tire spin, it is just that I had tested my car out like this and the tires did not spin so I wanted to make sure it was normal, and this looks like that may be the case.

Thanks for the info, I can now sleep better at night :)

Cephiros
11-02-2005, 08:44 AM
Maybe your clutch sucks.
this coupld be a big problem, those clutches dont hold crap

and the street deos matter old pavement will break loose alto easier than new

the stock ls1's with their nice fat tires dont break loose to easily at low rpm's

tire spin is bad, it reduces your destination time and wears out the tires

your cars not a factory turd, just because it doesnt break the tires loose, doesnt mean ti cant fly like a bat outta hell.

BLKWS.6
11-02-2005, 09:43 AM
Myy 5.0 will break them loose from a SLOW roll only after it has had time to speed up to about 5K rpm (on pavement using 245/60/15 Cooper Cobra GT's) and leaves about 20' of rubber hitting 2nd. For the record, my LT1 left harder, spun less, but couldnt touch the 5.0 at the upper RPM's. Your car sounds fine to me, some LS1's have 245 and some have 275 series tires, you may have the 275's and just hook good, dont sweat it. Nice car btw.

camaroextra
11-02-2005, 09:51 AM
mines a freak in a good way. i can spin the tires at almost 30 (its an auto). if i nail it just right and it drops into first. but my tires also suck so that could be a factor

qwikz28
11-02-2005, 09:53 AM
Myy 5.0 will break them loose from a SLOW roll only after it has had time to speed up to about 5K rpm (on pavement using 245/60/15 Cooper Cobra GT's) and leaves about 20' of rubber hitting 2nd. For the record, my LT1 left harder, spun less, but couldnt touch the 5.0 at the upper RPM's. Your car sounds fine to me, some LS1's have 245 and some have 275 series tires, you may have the 275's and just hook good, dont sweat it. Nice car btw.
not to rob the thread but: i drove a stock GT round body 5.0 not too long ago and the first gear in that thing hauled ass, but then lost wind once i jammed into second. was that normal? we're working the car right now and it will soon be a heads/cam car. i hope this car doesnt have any compression problems now that you're saying your 5.0 pulled like that. or maybe cause your car was lighter and was modded. any noob tips for me?

BLKWS.6
11-02-2005, 10:25 AM
I consider myself a noob as well. My mod list is kinda extensive though and my car LOVES upper rpms, 3500+ its a freak. As far as losing wind...no. IT hits 2nd gear, spins about 20', hooks, goes, and then chirps 3rd pretty good. Short shifting at 3500rpm from a light i was chirping the tires trying to "quietly" get ahead of an alero just before turning. On the bottom of 1st gear, its pretty slow, relatively, but once i hit 3500 rpm, it just GOES. For the record, the only real race i got in it was an 05 S2000 from 55-95 and using only 4th gear i put about a car on him. Maybe your GT has 2.73's, maybe the ignition is funky, or maybe, and probably likely if you never re-set it from factory, your timing is off, most leave the factory around 8-10*. THey should handle about 13* and i run 16* with a 10.5:1 compression on pump gas, although im not sure what you should run, given your mods. Check with your mechanic on that one.

BLKWS.6
11-02-2005, 10:27 AM
BTW, stock, the 94-95 5.0's (im assuming thats what you mean by round body) are 15 second cars pretty much. Also, their ECU does not respond well to mods and must be tuned or converted to A9L/P EEC-IV units.

02 Camaro SS
11-02-2005, 12:39 PM
Spinning the wheels at 5 mph is not that easy to do with an m6 it you already have the clutch engaged and just stab the gas. Either try slipping the clutch as if you were doing a drag launch or get up to 4-4.5k rpm and stab the gas. It's not like an automatic where you can just stab the gas and the slippage in the torque converter will get the rpms where you need them to be. Tires and road surface are, of course, factors as well.

BLKWS.6
11-02-2005, 12:45 PM
02 SS, i myself was irritated with my lack of power in my 5.0 until i realized my motor prolly wasnt making crap for power at 1000 rpm AKA, 400 rpm off idle...Yeah, manual has no hydrolic slippage to aid in the RPM building, for instance, a stock GT mustang 99+ should brake stall at about 2400rpm for reference...BIG DIF from 1K...

YoungGunLs1
11-02-2005, 12:50 PM
ok, I figured the auto must have been slipping some to do that, and that being my car now is a manual there is no slippage and that was why, makes sense now. Thanks for clearing that up.

LSWon00
11-02-2005, 01:26 PM
i can spin the tires at almost 30 (its an auto). if i nail it just right and it drops into first.


Mine does the same thing....I have good tires too.

You don't go anywhere if you're spinning.

MTN_Z
11-02-2005, 01:34 PM
Yeah my car went 13.2 at 108 at its best when stock and 90 percent of the time it wouldn't break the tires loose from that low of a roll. If it was cold out and there wasn't alot of heat in the tires it would do it though. It typically takes RPMs for these to blow the tires away. If you really wanna blow the tires from a low speed roll, go get 4.10s installed. Sweet Jesus, you NEVER hook from a first gear roll. Anyways, I'm sure your car runs fine.

lowchevy2go
11-02-2005, 01:41 PM
you should be glad you dont break the tires loose...that means you are moving , i can be doin 20 and stab it and the tires just light up. And the tires are eagle F1's .. i hate it

BBADWS6
11-02-2005, 01:48 PM
when i was 16 i wanted to roast my tires off all day, now i want them to stick to the track and not spin! You have a LS1 man, its a bad ass car.

SporkLover
11-02-2005, 03:43 PM
Younggun... Initially I thought I had the same issue. I had a hell of a time breaking the tires loose. I could dump the clutch at 2500rpms, and roll into the gas and hear nothing but chirp... and the car would tear out like a bat out of hell. I didn't really wanna try it any higher of an RPM... I'll save my clutch.... even stabbing it in a slow roll I would have nothing but traction. It worried me.

Then I raced my buddy's 300AWHP STi and beat him from a roll and a dig, and I no longer questioned the car. Remember..... traction is a blessing not a curse.

You must have excellent tires, and your suspension is doing it's job of ensuring the power makes it to the ground.

10.5AWD
11-05-2005, 03:59 PM
mines a freak in a good way. i can spin the tires at almost 30 (its an auto). if i nail it just right and it drops into first. but my tires also suck so that could be a factor
At anything under about a 34 MPH roll my stock 01 SS will drop to first with a stomp and totally break the tires loose and even walk sideways a bit. And my tires are in really good condition too.

YoungGunLs1
11-05-2005, 04:27 PM
I notice the guys with autos keep commenting on how if they stomp it and it down shifts to first the tires break loose...well that would be expected, being If I was driving at 20 mph in 2nd (with my M6), dropped it to first and reved it up to 4000 rpm then dumped the clutch my car would go insane too. comparing autos to manuals in the situation I am having is a whole different story IMO, which some others have commented on as well. (torque converter slippage, etc..)

tirefryer
11-07-2005, 02:06 PM
Mine break loose as the RPM's come up, I can keep them spinning through 2nd, then chirp them into third. This is when it's cool out. I can always spin them in first no matter what the temp. or surface, but only in the upper revs.