maxf

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I've got a P-1SC setup on my car right now. I just noticed that on eBay, the twin-high flow intercooler kits that come with the P-1 are going for $300+. And the OBX is somewhere in that price range as well...

So what would be involved in ditching the twins for a single FMIC? How much custom fabbing would be required to mount up the intercooler? How hard would plumbing be?

Finally, is this actually as cost-effective as it appears to be? Seems like I may come out even, or not spending more than $100 including piping and whatnot...

Input? Suggestions? Advice? Thank you much!

Keith

I think about 5 people have done what you are asking. If the search is working it will be your best friend in this situation.

DeltaT

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What do you expect out of the single that you aren't already getting?

If you add up the core dimensions from the twins, are they effectively bigger or smaller than the single? Is there something about where the twins are positioned that doesn't give them good air flow-through? I'm just trying to understand.

Jim

maxf

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From what has been said, the FMIC is more effective than the twins. And if it's going to cost little or nothing, there's no reason not to try it out and see how it goes.

Plus, I have a ricer side of me that would love to have a little FMIC peaking out.

Not to mention that the twins will scrape on the ground every now and then

Urban Legend

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Order the whole kit from synergy motorsports. You get the intercooler, pipes, clamps, and Mondo by pass valve for 1500.00. Everything you need is included. I picked up 2 pounds of boost with thier kit.

SuperZ

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$1500? I did the OBX fmic on mine with my turbo kit and it wasnt hard at all more so time consuming.I would go with that.You wount have much money in it and it will work well.

EPP

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The silicone adaptors are fairly expensive, which runs up the cost of the front mount. You won't believe the drop in inlet air temps when you switch from the twin 3.5" intercoolers to a single front mount. I suggest using the 4.00" OBX intercooler, which for the price is an excellent intercooler. We are currently working on coming out with our own front mount intercooler kit, using the above intercooler. I'm not sure on pricing yet, but I'd like to see it at approx $850.00 for everything, with no welding involved, and all required parts included. Bob

maxf

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I can't believe that anyone could imagine pricing these intercooler kits so high! Anything above $600 sounds ridiculous....

Using RETAIL prices, and looking at the supplies of the SIXTEEN HUNDRED DOLLAR Synergy kit, here's the information I've come up with:
-Intercooler: $290 SHIPPED
-4x90* 3" SS mandrel bend piping: $45 ea ($180 total)
-14xT-bolt clamps: $4 ea ($56 total)
-3xSilicon couplers: $5 ea ($15 total)

That comes to a grand total of $541 using RETAIL prices. So I'm not sure why it would need to be any more expensive than $600 or so.

Can anyone who has done this verify how much it actually cost to do it?

Blown SS

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The silicone and t-bolt clamps alone from hightempsilicone.com is $205 . You are going to need more than 3 couplers , and you are going to need 2 reducers . One to go from the 4" tb to the 3.5" maf , and 1 3.5" to 3" for your 3" charge piping these are $30 a peice . And if you are going to do a decent bypass valve and flange ,add another $ 300 +

EPP

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Plus the $290.00 shipped price has to be for the smaller 3" thick intercooler. Add $100.00 for the 4" thick one. Bob

NA$TY-TA

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Your pretty close man.....

You will the transistions..... you can find the 3" silicone in 3' sections on Ebay also.... i found two 3' sections and then i called Jim at HTS and he hooked me up with the rest and the T-Bolt clamps... I believe i spent around $200 with him for the transitions and the T-Bolt clamps....
Then most go with the Vortech Mondo Bypass.. Its $240 from Jegs or Summit and then $16 for the flange it mounts to from Vortech...
Who's going to weld the SSpiping togeather for you and the mount for the Bypass valve?? I had a buddy who had a welder so i welded my own....

I went with two bigger filters too...
Here's a few Pic's of mine back when i owned a ATI setup. OBX 3" go with the 4".
The filters....
New main HUGE filter far left, Old ATI filter Middle and lIL one for old piece were the old bypass was.



SS Piping...


Pic's of the transitions...





smaller filter mounted



Its not that hard man.... You can do it your self if u get someone local to weld the Bypass flange on and that shouldnt be more then $20.

I know...... i like to post pic's
Im bored at work.....
Kyle

JAvenger007

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Bob let us know when that kit is ready, sounds like its just what i need.

Urban Legend

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Since its so cheap to build, you can build it and sell it for $741.00. Thats 200.00 in your pocket. Sounds like a business case. Because you always have guys like me that will pay it right?

NA$TY-TA

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Here's the total i came up with

FMIC $300 shipped
SS Piping $200 shipped
Transitions and T-Bolts $210
Two 3' Sections od 3" Silicone off ebay $60 shipped
Bolts, mild steel for bracket, primer paint, saw blade, Misc $60
Vortech Mondo Bypass $250 shipped
Vortech Flange $20 shipped
Weld flange on $20
Total $1120

And that saying you have hand tools and a vice or a chop saw to cut the piping right..... i used a grinder on the out side of the piuping to smooth it and a file to smooth the inside after cutting......
There's labor to make a kit and cut the bracket..... oh i forgot your going to need someone to weld the bracket for you to the front bumber support.....
I have lots of pic's how i did mine here....
http://www.itlxlr8.com/images/Old%20FMIC%20Pics/

Kyle

JAvenger007

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But you can subtract the mondo/flange price of $270 if youve already got a BOV, right? So that would be $700-800 all said and done.

EPP

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Will indeed do. Thanks! Bob

maxf

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Hah well I guess the best way to get every single little detail I need is to make an argument

Thanks for all of the really useful information.

The twin flow to single FMIC doesn't look like something I can do for as little as I originally thought.

Details, details

Great thread

NA$TY-TA

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Not if you plan on using a BOV because a BOV wont work.... a BOV is for Turbo's and a BYPASS Valve is for SC setups.....
And dont even try and reuse the POS they sent with the kit... for one its a POS and for two it wont fit.

Kyle

Blown383

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What bypass valve is this?



-B

NA$TY-TA

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Thats a Tial BOV... thats why i tell everyone A BOV is not for a SC... A Bypass valve is what you need..... First hand.. been there done that wrong, spent the $$ wasted it selling it cheap to buy the right part... story...
Sold it cheap and went with a Vortech Mondo Bypass... thats why i know you can buy the Bypass from summit and have to buy the flange from Vortech... its on there site.....
Then i sold the whole kit and went Turbo.....

BOV's for Turbo Apps
Bypass for SC

Kyle