Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula
01-19-2003, 07:02 PM
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Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula Just a quick update, I am pulling the 422ci on Monday, the 4L60E too...
Plan is to build a 4.030 bore iron block with 6 liter heads for forced induction.
My plan is to document the steps and costs involved with the longblock buildup.
I'll be working with a lot of our sponsors to access parts, there are so many good folks to work with that it's hard to pick, but certain folks have certain strengths and heck I can only run one set of cylinder heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I will be running a budget-friendly set of connecting rods and NONE of the engine parts will be rare or hard to find.
We'll put up some pictures as we make some progress.
Plan is to build a 4.030 bore iron block with 6 liter heads for forced induction.
My plan is to document the steps and costs involved with the longblock buildup.
I'll be working with a lot of our sponsors to access parts, there are so many good folks to work with that it's hard to pick, but certain folks have certain strengths and heck I can only run one set of cylinder heads. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I will be running a budget-friendly set of connecting rods and NONE of the engine parts will be rare or hard to find.
We'll put up some pictures as we make some progress.
01-19-2003, 07:18 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula PSJ where are you finding these "budget" friendly rods? I am in the market for some also but cant find anyone that carries a budget set. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
I'm doing a 346FI build up tho w/ the stock crank. I hope your source has some for the stock crank.
Thanks,
J
I'm doing a 346FI build up tho w/ the stock crank. I hope your source has some for the stock crank.
Thanks,
J
01-19-2003, 07:51 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula PSJ:
Wild Dude! BEst of luck on the new project! Are you selling your old 422 motor? What are you going to do with your FLP tranny? Are you going to upgrade to a different tranny or just freshen up the FLP stage IV?
GOOD LUCK and congrats! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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Wild Dude! BEst of luck on the new project! Are you selling your old 422 motor? What are you going to do with your FLP tranny? Are you going to upgrade to a different tranny or just freshen up the FLP stage IV?
GOOD LUCK and congrats! <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />
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01-19-2003, 08:24 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula congrats <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
Can you outline the new setup? What turbo setup are you going with?
Cheers,
Chris
Can you outline the new setup? What turbo setup are you going with?
Cheers,
Chris
01-20-2003, 07:20 AM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula John, don't take this the wrong way, but why not get your current combo working correctly before tearing it out and starting over? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />
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01-20-2003, 01:23 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula I'm doing the same exact build up John.
Got my pistons for $570 from Diamond and my Eagle h-beam rods for $480 ($1050 total).
Going with 6.0 ARE heads 2.05/1.60 valves.
Still debating on turbo or supercharger... Leaning towards turbo.
Where are you getting turbo manifolds from?
Got my pistons for $570 from Diamond and my Eagle h-beam rods for $480 ($1050 total).
Going with 6.0 ARE heads 2.05/1.60 valves.
Still debating on turbo or supercharger... Leaning towards turbo.
Where are you getting turbo manifolds from?
01-20-2003, 01:27 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula I don't blame you for jumping ships but why give up now when your sooooo close to those beloved 10's(NA) you've been trying sooooo hard to get?
As soon as you hit 10.99 early this spring you then could've switched. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
Mike
As soon as you hit 10.99 early this spring you then could've switched. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_images/icons/tongue.gif" />
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01-20-2003, 01:49 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula ???
Perhaps you don't understand, I could not race the car with that endplay. I was in jeopardy of hurting the motor. What you suggest was not an option, or I would have trailered the car down South to do that.
I'm comfortable with the old setup. Based on calculations I was making ~500rwhp.
New goal is >700rwhp to start, and 750rwhp at some point. I'd like to do this on 100 octane.
Perhaps you don't understand, I could not race the car with that endplay. I was in jeopardy of hurting the motor. What you suggest was not an option, or I would have trailered the car down South to do that.
I'm comfortable with the old setup. Based on calculations I was making ~500rwhp.
New goal is >700rwhp to start, and 750rwhp at some point. I'd like to do this on 100 octane.
01-20-2003, 01:56 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula Good luck with the new set up. <img border="0" alt="[angel]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_angel.gif" />
Looking forward to the write ups on the build up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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Looking forward to the write ups on the build up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Cool]" src="gr_images/icons/cool.gif" />
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01-20-2003, 02:28 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula Thanks Coach... Here is the plan.
Chapter 1) Longblock
Chapter 2) Transmission
Chapter 3) Rear End
Chapter 4) Turbo system
Chapter 5) Fuel system
Chapter 6) PCM Tuning
Chapter 7) Track testing
As of a few hours ago, Speed Inc. pulled out the old combo.
We know who we will use for the shortblock, and the bumpstick, but not the cylinder heads. We plan to run 6.0 heads with minimal decking. We have a lead on one set that looks very promising we'll decide on those when we see the flow sheets.
Chapter 1) Longblock
Chapter 2) Transmission
Chapter 3) Rear End
Chapter 4) Turbo system
Chapter 5) Fuel system
Chapter 6) PCM Tuning
Chapter 7) Track testing
As of a few hours ago, Speed Inc. pulled out the old combo.
We know who we will use for the shortblock, and the bumpstick, but not the cylinder heads. We plan to run 6.0 heads with minimal decking. We have a lead on one set that looks very promising we'll decide on those when we see the flow sheets.
01-20-2003, 03:05 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula Thanks for deleting my question John! Very very nice of you to do so. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />
I guess you don't want to tell any of us how you measure endplay with the engine in the car and hooked up to the tranny.
I guess you don't want to tell any of us how you measure endplay with the engine in the car and hooked up to the tranny.
01-20-2003, 04:48 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason99T/A:
<strong> Who is building/assembling the engine? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong> We know who we will use for the shortblock...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who is building it John? ARE, Speed Inc., etc...?
<strong> Who is building/assembling the engine? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Pro Stock John:
<strong> We know who we will use for the shortblock...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Who is building it John? ARE, Speed Inc., etc...?
01-20-2003, 05:21 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula I went over to speed today to pick up my cam, and busted rocker arm, I saw your car sitting there empty, that VFN hood looks damn good john... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" /> Car looks mean, can't wait to see how your new setup does.. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
01-20-2003, 05:26 PM
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Re: Building an iron block FI motor for Project Dragula Jason, I'll let you know once I start putting together Chapter 1. We're 95% sure who we are going to use. I'd like to use 8-10 sponsors on various aspects of the car so we can show off some of their stuff. I won't put stuff on the car unless we have flow sheets for the heads, and build sheets etc.
