Justin00SS

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http://www.texas-speed.com/shop/item...d=666&catid=20



he Magic Stick V4 camshaft is Texas Speed's premier LS1 camshaft!

The MS4 camshaft is the result of extensive engine dyno testing & research! Engine dyno results have shown over 80 horsepower gains with no other changes on a stock 01 engine!!

2300-6800 RPM Power Band with a peak around 6400rpm; This is an excellent performance camshaft with a rough idle! Custom tuning required

This camshaft typically gains approximately 60+rwhp!

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This could be what I'm looking for. I just got a set of ls6 vavlesprings brand new with everything needed for install for $50bucks. Just got them in today. They look great.

The stock LS1 springs hold what? .580 lift? The LS6 hold .600 lift and are better at higher rpms. Which by looking at my dyno graph I need. I dunno if those monster .650 lift springs are for me. I'm still thinking about them though.

You guys think this cam with these LS6 valvesprings would be a good setup?

ThirdGenLS1

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there is no way a ls6 spring is going to hold that cam. You're going to be hard pressed for those springs being able to handle any cams on the market today. Your choices if you keep those springs are the hotcam, or another small lift cam like it.

Justin

SVThis

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what he said

99FormulaM6

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yea. definately ditch the ls6 springs. youre kick yourself in the *** if you use them

Justin00SS

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It says, "No other changes on stock 01 engine."

Wouldn't a stock 01 engine have smaller LS1 springs.

This is info that TSP should put out. I picked up the LS6 springs because they were cheap. Oh well. I can still sell them for whatever. I've had my eye on these for a bit.

http://www.ws6project.com/user_stor/...661489f1368683

I may pick them up.

I'm just trying to get info for the future.

Money > me right now.

99FormulaM6

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Send one of the guys a PM and ask him about it.

Justin00SS

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Nice avatar. I just made 3rd.

ThirdGenLS1

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You can call them, but i can tell you right now they arn't gonna work. Now those patroit Gold springs would, or just go with the PRC dual's that TSP sells since you can get it as a package (cam, springs, and pushrods)

Justin00SS

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I looked right past those. I would be cheaper in the long run to buy it all from TSP (especially with shipping to Hawaii).

Thanks.

ThirdGenLS1

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but you really need to read the cam guid sticky, that is a very large cam and need to make sure you are prepared for somthing like that.

HeapaShifter

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I'll also say no way on LS6 springs. That camshaft needs high lift dual springs.

The Add is saying no other changes on a stock 01 engine other than necessary cam swap parts. Anyone ordering their own cam should know that.

Hennytime

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id stay away from buying anything utill you read a **** ton more

USMC Devil Dog

I second that. Not trying to knock ya down but, that kind of question would answer itself to someone who has done some research. I would wait awhile (atleast a month) and see what this new camshaft turns out like. You may be happier in the long run this way.

Semper Fi

ls1itldo

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When I talked to Joseph, he said they already had dual springs on the stock heads in anticipation for the cam swap so no the springs were not changed at the same time as the cam. There is no way LS6 springs can handle a good camshaft, that should be a given.

blkZ28spt

LS6 springs with a cam such as the MS4 is a horrendously bad idea.

For most practical purposes a cam swap automatically includes things such as valve springs and in terms of power production you can say that the camshaft is all that was done.

ThirdGenLS1

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lets not try to give him a bad time(not saying we are), everybody remembers when they didnt know anything. Anyways try reading all stickes at the top of each section, then just spend sometime searching. This should give you a good basic understanding and be able to ask better more direct questions.

Justin

Justin00SS

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I'm still learning. I'm also trying to get some good advice on combinations that work.

Thanks guys. I've been reading that **** and damn. There is ALOT more then I though.

I'm still thinking of using the LS6 valvesprings though. I'm reading here where guys have gotten 20rwhp by swapping in 1.85:1 rockers with ls6 springs.

I hit 350rwhp easily with bolt-ons and one pull read 365rwhp. And I still have the ls1 intake. I'm interested to see the kinds of numbers I can pull from this thing without doing and _real_ mods.

The LS6 springs are better then LS1 springs at higher rpms. My dyno showed alot of spikes starting around 5800rpms. That borderline valvefloat that I don't want and the ls6 springs will help bring that under control.

I think that LS6 springs, 1.85:1 roller rockers, ls6 intake, and tune could get me to near 380rwhp. That would be great and it would hold me over until I had the money to get the cam, have it installed, have the heads ported, install the patriot golds or dual springs, and then get the tune.

I'm saving, reading, and learning. lol

blkZ28spt

LS6 springs on a stock cam would be okay, but not recommended with 1.85 rockers. If you want to risk your motor to save a few bucks, that is your decision.

Why do rockers instead of a cam? Do you realize what having those rockers will do to your cam selection process in the future?

Justin00SS

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Another part of the learning. I don't have the rockers yet.

I'm not trying to skim on money here. I'm interested in trying to find out how much I can get without really breaking into the engine. I haven't really found anyone who has done this.

The cam and heads/valvetrain package will come but I want to get it all at about the same time.

Also why would the rockers cause the engine to explode? The rockers I'm looking at (slp whatevers) are made by the same people that make the stock ones. And from what I'm reading (I also have an LS1/LS6 performance book) the stock cam is well within the limits or the 1.85:1 rockers.

Lift is increased from .497 to .541 inches.

This is also why I'm posting this on here. Is this book crap?

Hennytime

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for one, the ls6 springs are designed to take a limit of .560 lift, with very lazy lobes, and if im not mistaken the ramp rates increase as you go from 1.7 to 1.8 or 1.85. i would go with a proven aftermarket camdual springs if the lift calls for it pushrods, new rockers ol pump and little things

speed costs money, and this is a good saying ive learned

pick two things to put into a car: reliability, speed, cheap b/c you can make a car reliable and cheap but not fast, a fast and cheap car thats not reliable, or a reliable and fast car thats not cheap.

main thing is people on this board make things sound simple like a cam-only car or a nitrous car, but in order for them to work properly and safely it takes 5 other mods to do so. i had my car for over 5 months and read this forum everyday before i made my first mods (air lid/cutout) and i read the nitrous forum for a year before i got it, its not exaggeration or joke when people say this forum is there best mod, it certainly is mine