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Old 01-26-2007, 09:10 AM
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Default Who is making close to 400hp on 224 & bolt-ons only?

Just as the title says. I am wondering who is making close to or just over 400rwhp on a Comp 224 or TR224 + bolt-ons alone. I have a Comp 224 with .581 lift and just about every bolt on except an underdrive pulley, and my car dyno'ed at 383rwhp last week on a dynojet with correction factor of .98. It was still making power when I let off at 6K but it probably would have only gone about 5hp higher or so.
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There was a thread not long ago on this topic. A guy wanted to know if he could get 400 rwhp with the TR224 cam and bolt-ons. He got several posters who either have or use to have that setup say he can expect 375-385 rwhp.

Looks to me like you are right in line with those numbers. If you really want to hit the 400 mark with that cam then I would consider some budget heads. Texas Speed & Performance has the PRC heads at a reasonable price and Patriot makes a good budget head as well.

Good luck and TTT for ya.
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Sorry, didn't mean to start an old topic up again. If I buy heads I am looking more at the 430hp mark instead of 400. If need be, I will just upgrade the cam to something closer to the .600 lift range. Thanks
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Why did you not do the UD pulley???

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As a point of referance, I am curretnly running TR224/114 cam, AFR 205 heads, and all the bolt ons, hitting 431rwhp (429trq). Keep in mind, its in a 383 block, but, correct me if im wrong, the 383 plays more into torque rather than extra hp.
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Originally Posted by SideStep
Why did you not do the UD pulley???
I just bought an NX wet Kit. That pretty much used all the money plus a little more that I had saved for an UD pulley.

I don't know about the More torque than HP on a 383. I have never heard that before. Maybe someone will enlighten us.
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the best thing you can do is throw that little 224 in the garbage and step up you know your not gonna be satisfied when I get the ms4 in my car
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Strokers are torque oriented motors for the majority. I am low on tq and high on power. 421rwhp and 378rwtq with that 244/248 cam. I still don't see why you are still almost 20rwhp away from your goal. I have seen a handfull of cars that get 400 with headers/intake/cam. Might be your gears that are robbing some of that "projected" power. Just a thought though.
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Originally Posted by ssman00
the best thing you can do is throw that little 224 in the garbage and step up you know your not gonna be satisfied when I get the ms4 in my car

I hope you are just picking at him as a friend and not making a serious statement.
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Originally Posted by ssman00
the best thing you can do is throw that little 224 in the garbage and step up you know your not gonna be satisfied when I get the ms4 in my car

I hate to ask this stupid question, who makes the ms4? i see ms.. all over they must be pretty good.
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TSP makes the MS4 FTW! Just stands for Magic Stick Version 4.
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Well the car does have 115K miles on it. The correction factor was set at .97 on the dyno I was on, and after making two pulls on the dynojet, I looked at the graph and my car was still pulling when I let out of it at 6K. NONE of my friends decided to say anything like "hey, its still making power, take the rpm's higher" or I would have taken it to 6500 or so. It think it might have hit 390 with no correction factor and about 300 more rpm's.

As for you SSMAN, As of last night, you good a pretty good look at the back end of my TA, so you can talk that jive all you want until the cam is actually in the car.
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You were doing the Dyno on your car at someone elses shop? I think that it is a liability for people to dyno their own cars. Why didn't you take it to atleast 6400?
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lol yea ill give it to you ya got me last night but I was happy with how my car ran with just a few bolt ons but the cam and heads will be goin on in a few months and if all goes as planned the nx kit will be on this weekend so that may change the story
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Originally Posted by orangeapeel
You were doing the Dyno on your car at someone elses shop? I think that it is a liability for people to dyno their own cars. Why didn't you take it to atleast 6400?
lol, I wasn't dynoing at a friends shop! I was at a Dyno Day close to where I live at a racing shop. They just had the computer where everyone could see it. It was a professional deal I assure you. I would not take my car to a shady, backwoods shop somewhere to dyno it. I didn't take it to 6400 because I had it dyno'ed several months ago on a mustang dyno before I had it tuned and it stopped making power at 6100. Now that it is tuned I guess it is safe to be taken to 6500 with comp 918 springs.
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i have a VERY similiar setup 2 urs and i wandered how close to 400rwhp i am too!!! i guess im around that ball park
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My first combo 5 years ago was a TR 224/224 with LS1 ported heads LS6 intake and Mac headers and I made 402RWHP.
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I averaged 394hp on the dyno with a TR224/224 112 cam and full bolt-ons SLP LT's, and a Harris Speed Works tune.Stock heads and stock bottom end.Car even hit 400 on first pull. Car is a daily driver and runs excellent with this cam setup.
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TR 230/224 390rwhp with times below.
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LS1 engines are NOT created equal. Some have more leak down than others. Just because you might have the same same setup as a guy who's making 400rwhp, doesn't mean you will. You may have a situation where you'll need another mod or combination of mods to get your desired output. The fun of it all is trying to figure that out. Your close to 400 rwhp. I might suggest a ported TB and that pulley with a dyno run to 6500.




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