Vig Multi Disc 3600?
02-19-2007, 08:06 AM
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Vig Multi Disc 3600? I took a friend of mine for a ride that has an built LT1 so he could see if want to get an LS1. When I got out on the HWY an nailed it the shifts never dropped below 5000 rpms. Is this a 3600? I never paid attention to the tach before but damn the car shifted (6200 rpms) quick as ****! It might have been a little different if I had launched it from a dig but with the street tires that would have been useless. It still spunn at 40 mph. lol
02-19-2007, 10:01 PM
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What's the question?
I have a Fuddle 3400 which true stalls to 3600 of the line in the Monaro. Shift extension is 5200RPM with a 6800RPM shift point. Sounds like a 3600 to me...
Personally, I hate em for street duties. I need something a little tighter. My 3200 was perfect. Going back soon...
I believe the stall ratings of PI are more accurate than most. Most ppl. think they are looser, but thats cause they don't know what their own converters actually stall to. Can't measure it off the brake or what the REVS climb to on launch.
PI 3600 should hit harder than a Yank 3600, put it that way. Ive logged the Yank 3600 and given the medium sized 23X cam in it, only generated 3300 flash stall off the line. But they will feel "tighter" for street duties.
Yet a 216-220 cam can yield true 3600 flash stall off the line. Its all relative to the off-line torque you make.
So in summary, not all converters are equal, and not all cars are either. One converter will feel different installed in 2 seemingly identical cars if they make more or less torque off the line.
I have a Fuddle 3400 which true stalls to 3600 of the line in the Monaro. Shift extension is 5200RPM with a 6800RPM shift point. Sounds like a 3600 to me...
Personally, I hate em for street duties. I need something a little tighter. My 3200 was perfect. Going back soon...
I believe the stall ratings of PI are more accurate than most. Most ppl. think they are looser, but thats cause they don't know what their own converters actually stall to. Can't measure it off the brake or what the REVS climb to on launch.
PI 3600 should hit harder than a Yank 3600, put it that way. Ive logged the Yank 3600 and given the medium sized 23X cam in it, only generated 3300 flash stall off the line. But they will feel "tighter" for street duties.
Yet a 216-220 cam can yield true 3600 flash stall off the line. Its all relative to the off-line torque you make.
So in summary, not all converters are equal, and not all cars are either. One converter will feel different installed in 2 seemingly identical cars if they make more or less torque off the line.
02-19-2007, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by MNR-0
What's the question?
I have a Fuddle 3400 which true stalls to 3600 of the line in the Monaro. Shift extension is 5200RPM with a 6800RPM shift point. Sounds like a 3600 to me...
Personally, I hate em for street duties. I need something a little tighter. My 3200 was perfect. Going back soon...
I believe the stall ratings of PI are more accurate than most. Most ppl. think they are looser, but thats cause they don't know what their own converters actually stall to. Can't measure it off the brake or what the REVS climb to on launch.
PI 3600 should hit harder than a Yank 3600, put it that way. Ive logged the Yank 3600 and given the medium sized 23X cam in it, only generated 3300 flash stall off the line. But they will feel "tighter" for street duties.
Yet a 216-220 cam can yield true 3600 flash stall off the line. Its all relative to the off-line torque you make.
So in summary, not all converters are equal, and not all cars are either. One converter will feel different installed in 2 seemingly identical cars if they make more or less torque off the line.
I have a Fuddle 3400 which true stalls to 3600 of the line in the Monaro. Shift extension is 5200RPM with a 6800RPM shift point. Sounds like a 3600 to me...
Personally, I hate em for street duties. I need something a little tighter. My 3200 was perfect. Going back soon...
I believe the stall ratings of PI are more accurate than most. Most ppl. think they are looser, but thats cause they don't know what their own converters actually stall to. Can't measure it off the brake or what the REVS climb to on launch.
PI 3600 should hit harder than a Yank 3600, put it that way. Ive logged the Yank 3600 and given the medium sized 23X cam in it, only generated 3300 flash stall off the line. But they will feel "tighter" for street duties.
Yet a 216-220 cam can yield true 3600 flash stall off the line. Its all relative to the off-line torque you make.
So in summary, not all converters are equal, and not all cars are either. One converter will feel different installed in 2 seemingly identical cars if they make more or less torque off the line.
As far as PI being more accurate than others I don't really think so. I think they may be a little under rated IMO. My 3200 on the spray would flash to 5000 off the line and would flash to about 3800 N/A. That was before I got my heads and cam.
02-20-2007, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by 1ORANGEWS6
As far as PI being more accurate than others I don't really think so. I think they may be a little under rated IMO. My 3200 on the spray would flash to 5000 off the line and would flash to about 3800 N/A. That was before I got my heads and cam.
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02-20-2007, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by MNR-0
How did you measure the flash stall?
Well, I just watched my tach, I know that's not really accurate but that's how I did it. It would jump up to those rpms I spoke of earlier. How would you meausre it?
02-20-2007, 01:34 PM
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Which part are you confused about?
02-20-2007, 11:12 PM
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Allow around 3-400RPM when measuring off the tacho. By the time you see the needle start to slow, its already past its flash stall and is hydraulically locking up, albeit still in stall.
02-20-2007, 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MNR-0
Allow around 3-400RPM when measuring off the tacho. By the time you see the needle start to slow, its already past its flash stall and is hydraulically locking up, albeit still in stall.
02-21-2007, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by TORK?
I guess I was confused about how we would know what stall speed converter you have just by what your shift extension is. I'm by no means an expert so maybe I am missing something, but I would think we would need to know what it brake stalls or flashes to off the line to give a better estimate.
On the other hand instead of replying I'm confused, ask questions like you just did if someone is not giving you enough information. That's what MNR-0 did. Hell they may have just forgotten to include that information.