Northwest Members - CCC Mtg

Due to circumstances beyond our control.....the CCC Mtg Tuesday nite will be held at Dons house. That way we can setup the virtual mtg for officers not able to attend. And more importantly help Don in a time of need. Nuff said. :judge:

Mark

What's going on with Don?

Well dang it, I'll miss this one. I was looking forward to going to my first meeting tomorrow too. Too far to go after work on a weeknight.

First and foremost, hope all is going well with Don though.

I think I can make it is it a 7:00pm still. What kind of help does Don need can I bring something.

Bill

He hurt both of his hands, one is in a cast. I'm sure he'll be along to fill in the rest of the details.. :) Ellis will be there...

I get off work early tomorrow. I might be able to get out there if need be.

He hurt both of his hands, one is in a cast. I'm sure he'll be along to fill in the rest of the details.. :) Ellis will be there...
DON ya not suppose to do that lol.

Mines left hand is in a brace due to tenditus I was useless helping dan pull a heater box for my car

I've gotta drop something off in Fife tomorrow night, might try to make it up there depending on what time I'm over there.

Brian :usa:

OK I will be there. I will be happy to lone Don my hands. they do not work very well but all the digits are semi operational ;)

Due to circumstances beyond our control.....the CCC Mtg Tuesday nite will be held at Dons house. That way we can setup the virtual mtg for officers not able to attend. And more importantly help Don in a time of need. Nuff said. :judge:

Mark

You guys c rack me up! L et's jus t say "I fought the saw, and the saw won" :bang:

I was cutting a piece of aluminum on the tablesaw and it kicked back on m e. It broke my left thumb and gashed my right one. Now I know how animals without opposable thumbs get along. :jest:

If you cannot make the meetng, jus t PM me with a number I can call you on and I'll add you to the confe rence call. I can take up to nine.


Don

PS - pa rdon the typing - try itsome time wi thout thumbs!

You guys c rack me up! L et's jus t say "I fought the saw, and the saw won" :bang:

I was cutting a piece of aluminum on the tablesaw and it kicked back on m e. It broke my left thumb and gashed my right one. Now I know how animals without opposable thumbs get along. :jest:

If you cannot make the meetng, jus t PM me with a number I can call you on and I'll add you to the confe rence call. I can take up to nine.


Don

PS - pa rdon the typing - try itsome time wi thout thumbs!


Now THAT is some funny $#!t I don't care who you are :D

Any chance you guys will be letting bikes race this year? I fear that is my only hope to be able to race.

I too would love to have bikes allowed.
I would only race mine if the gto isdown, but I know a couple others that would be interested.



Don,
sorry to hear about your mishap,
hope all is going well.

back on topic,
I would love to make the meeting
but I have to work in downtown seattle at 9pm,

keep us filled in on the outcome.


russ





oh, and ellis,
you need to update your sig pic
it needs to show off the new hottness of shoes on the blue monster
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y294/picsaplenty/blue1flat.jpg

Sorry to hear about it Don. Hope you get well soon!


Yes keep us posted on what comes out at the meeting.

Bike Vs. Car is just not safe, I know that I don't wana run over a bike when I am running him down...

Ryan K.

Sorry to hear that Don those saws can be real mean. :engarde: :punch:
As for bikes the tracks might not let bikes run with cars. We would have to get that approved first. Is the meeting still at 7:00pm?

Bill

I don't know why bikes wouldn't be allowed.. Didn't ellis race one last year(?) at bremerton and the guy on the bike gave up at half track? I don't know if that was a CCC race, but why would it matter anyway? a race is a race...

I don't know why bikes wouldn't be allowed.. Didn't ellis race one last year(?) at bremerton and the guy on the bike gave up at half track? I don't know if that was a CCC race, but why would it matter anyway? a race is a race...
I was there for that, Priceless... :drive:

The mtg is at 7. I talked to PR last year about bikes & they had no problem with it. I know a lot of guys are interested in running their bikes so this will be discussed tonight. Personally I would like to race some fast bikes with my car in a controlled envirnment. I know the risks, but it isn't any worse than running against another fast car....

Thanks Mark
I've raced bikes before and but they always to keep them seperate maybe for safety. If the tracks allow it then it should be dicussed.

Someone else brought this up last year and the common response was, it is called CAR Club Challenge (or whatever the other 2 C's stand for) and that was the end of it.......I don't agreee but that was the general concensus. :(

Personally I don't see a problem having bikes race so long as they meet track rules and specs.......but it isn't my call.

I wanna race my bike!! That way I can be up w/ a few of ypu guys!

I know the risks, but it isn't any worse than running against another fast car....

Except for when a car hits a car theres a better chance of both people living, when a car hits a bike, not so much.

To me, the whole buisness about, "Well the name is CAR Club Challenge" is stupid. I mean come on, its just a name. And to change it to Vehicle Club Challenge is even dumber. Just because of the name means no bikes allowed. So that means that if any organization has a name, it has to stick to it. Come on people. I think the real reason, is those people don't want bikes allowed is that they don't wanna get beat bad. It's just racing. I don't think we should descriminate against anyone. Also, the name is Car Club Challenge, then why are trucks allowed, hmmm...

To me, the whole buisness about, "Well the name is CAR Club Challenge" is stupid. I mean come on, its just a name. And to change it to Vehicle Club Challenge is even dumber. Just because of the name means no bikes allowed. So that means that if any organization has a name, it has to stick to it. Come on people. I think the real reason, is those people don't want bikes allowed is that they don't wanna get beat bad. It's just racing. I don't think we should discriminate against anyone. Also, the name is Car Club Challenge, then why are trucks allowed, hmmm...

I don't think it's because they don't want to get beat...Remember CCC is not a Speed Race, it's a Consistency Race. It doesn't matter how fast you go, it's how consistent you are.

I think it's like everyone is saying, they don't want to be responsible for running someone over if the bike goes down. I personally wouldn't want to go against a bike. I don't even like to be around them on the street let alone the track. But the argument keeps coming up year after year and I think it needs to be addressed and either allowed or nipped in the bud for good. So if you guys with bikes want a say-so in this argument, I think you need to show up at the meeting tonight and voice your opinions.

I don't mind so much from the competition standpoint... heck, bikes don't make the best bracket racers, so I say bring 'em on, they can have fun waiting a few seconds to run down my C4. ;)

From a safety standpoint, I can see the argument for not letting them on the track with cars. For the most part, they always keep them separate even in open T&T, so we probably should keep them out of our racing series as well.

But this also boils down to the fact that I think if the guy on the bike is open to race agaist a car, then shouldn't they be able to make the desision themselves. I jut think if an adult wants to make their own desisions, and the person hes racing is fine with it, then why not let them. Seems to me like everyone is trying to but in on personal desisions. Now I think if it gets desided no bikes, it shouldn't be because of the name, it should be because of the safety issue. I mean come on, if your worried about it not jiving with the name, then why are trucks allowed in...


P.S. The reason I was talking about getting beat, is I know there is a huge arguument about Bikes vs. Cars all over the place. And if bikes were allowed to race, then guys who say cars are better might have ther eggo hurt.

Bike Vs. Car is just not safe, I know that I don't wana run over a bike when I am running him down...

Ryan K.


neither is racing :eyes:

but they have no problem running cars vs bikes on "Street legal" days (that's what CCC is)




I don't know why bikes wouldn't be allowed.. Didn't ellis race one last year(?) at bremerton and the guy on the bike gave up at half track? I don't know if that was a CCC race, but why would it matter anyway? a race is a race...

yup,
he beat the bike too :devil:

The mtg is at 7. I talked to PR last year about bikes & they had no problem with it. I know a lot of guys are interested in running their bikes so this will be discussed tonight. Personally I would like to race some fast bikes with my car in a controlled envirnment. I know the risks, but it isn't any worse than running against another fast car....

most of the bikes owners that I know aren't as fast as Ellis and Mark.
nor as consistant.
but the intent of CCC is to be a Legal outlet for people to race (and keep it off the street)
IMO, great place for some of our local bikers.

I would love to be at the meeting tonight cheering on the bikers. but I will be on my way to work 30 min after the meeting starts.


Russ

I wanted to come but I did not get off work until my normal time (6). Then I had to come home and do laundry. fun.

I didn't make it...obviously...was in Fife at 430 and I-5 north was stopped, and I dunno if I would've made it by 7 anyway, lol! I hate traffic over there...but I said to myself while I was in Virginia this summer I'd never bitch about Seattle traffic again cause you ain't seen nothin till you've been over on the east coast...bah...

still waiting on any info from the meeting

I heard black gto's won't be allowed to run this year...

I heard black gto's won't be allowed to run this year...


I hate your gutz !!! :cry:

It was decided bikes would not run with CCCA. The call was made for the safety of the bikes.

It was decided bikes would not run with CCCA. The call was made for the safety of the bikes.
Cool, I may not totally agree, I'm glad you guys desided for the sake of safty, and not the name :eyes:

I'd personally rather not have the bikes there, for safety and for the sake of the name. I'm not really sure why that bothers anyone.

Ok just to make the saftey factor clear.

Race one car against bike (http://www.rkarasek.com/video/Ellis%20Bremerton%206.wmv)


No imagine Race Number two (http://www.rkarasek.com/video/Bremerton%20Oct%2021/Ellis%20Oct%2021%20Run%201.wmv)

Who wins that battle? The dead guy or the guy who has to live knowing he killed him?

Now with Bracket all thing being equal you get to the line at the same exact time so it could happen any where on the track.

So Ellis, next time a Busa wants to race in Street legal, you are turning it down, right, refusing to race. I would expect all of the board members that voted that way to do the same.

could happen with a car too

I can see the safety issues,
but the tracks allow it. if a driver dosn't feel safe (with there car or bike) they shouldn't be racing

side swiping 2 cars at 120+mph still isn't gonna be pretty either,
racing is inherantly dangerous, adults should be capable of making there own decisions


I still think bikes should be allowed,
but I'm not an officer, I can't make the meetings, I can't vote.



Russ

did anything else come from the meeting?

So Ellis, next time a Busa wants to race in Street legal, you are turning it down, right, refusing to race. I would expect all of the board members that voted that way to do the same.

Bracket race vs. heads up. Most cars can't outrun a bike, where in a bracket race, you're guaranteed to be at the top end together. Personally, I wouldn't race against a bike either way, even if my car was fast enough to beat them.

I really do not understand why some of you guys that are into bikes are so upset about this. Seriously... WTF? Aren't there less trivial things to be up in arms over?

Guys plain and simple. CCCA voted to not allow bikes against cars for the safety of the bike. IF you do not like it MAYBE you should have got your butt's to the meeting. Not a singal one of you showed and Amorget is closer then any.

SO Doug if you felt so strongly about it why did you not show up? I am guessing you had other things to do? Me to, but I still showed up.

This is the key people IF you want to change the way things are done SHOW UP at the meetings and voice your opinions. Join in the proccess and make things happen. Everyone wants to race only a few work there butt's off to make it happen. If you truely feel stongly become one of the few ;)

Sorry I didn't make guys I got stuck in Everett to late. :bang: Don hope your hands are heeling. I like that one "I fought the saw, and the saw won"
Now that's funny. Looks like will have to get everyone to put your car back together. (PARTY) :chug:

Bill

I htink ELlis said it all. It's like not voting & then complaing about the elected officials. When you get a chance to changes things, get off your couch & go try. (no, my hands aren't hurt, I just woke uop)

Anyway, I brought the issue up, and it was voted down. Maybe next year. But if any of you fast bikes wants to come try your hand, I'll race you in time trials. And my car should stay in its lane. :devil:

I htink ELlis said it all. It's like not voting & then complaing about the elected officials. When you get a chance to changes things, get off your couch & go try. (no, my hands aren't hurt, I just woke uop)

Anyway, I brought the issue up, and it was voted down. Maybe next year. But if any of you fast bikes wants to come try your hand, I'll race you in time trials. And my car should stay in its lane. :devil:
Hmmmm... Is Mark trying to say something to Ellis... :secret2:

Man sometimes I wish I lived on that side, all the good stuff happens over there, Unless of course you are Ryan K...and you have a very nice turbo!

Seriously, I would love to make a meeting, but it is tough, I have to wait for the wife to get home from work and she doesn't get home until 7:00 pm.

No offense to the Motorcycle crew, but I would have voted against it too. You all have cars that you can run. I just think the bike adds another extra unneeded element to an already busy circuit.

I fully agree about the voting thing,

I intended to make the meetings this season, but my job keeps me from doing so, I hope to have one of my club members represent at future events tho.

Hmmmm... Is Mark trying to say something to Ellis... :secret2:
Yeah you'd think Ellis would align his front end cuz' man it seems to pull to the right pretty badly ! ;)

DAMN! you guys are Ruff! ;)

Mark and I BOTH made sure we covered it. it was a Unanimous vote

Guys plain and simple. CCCA voted to not allow bikes against cars for the safety of the bike. IF you do not like it MAYBE you should have got your butt's to the meeting. Not a singal one of you showed and Amorget is closer then any.

SO Doug if you felt so strongly about it why did you not show up? I am guessing you had other things to do? Me to, but I still showed up.

This is the key people IF you want to change the way things are done SHOW UP at the meetings and voice your opinions. Join in the proccess and make things happen. Everyone wants to race only a few work there butt's off to make it happen. If you truely feel stongly become one of the few ;)

I woulda shown up, but I was at work.