CaMaRo67RS355

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just wondering what was the fastest stock 67-69 camaro to ever come out i know there was the ZL1, Nickey, Motion, COPO etc. which one was the fastest just curious? what were the hp and trq ratings? what were the 1/4 times?

Wolfgang427

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1969-ZL-1 Camaro. 427 aluminum block and heads with 430-HP from factory, but was under-rated by Chevy on purpose. Only 69 examples from factory.

CaMaRo67RS355

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under-rated just like the Z28's with the so called 300 horses my *** lol

any clue to what et times it bring?

what about the other 427 cars is the ZL1 the fastest?

B.A.T.A.

1969 Baldwin-Motion Phase III Camaro. Balanced and Blue printed 454 big block transplanted in. Over 500 hp and 500 ft/lbs guarenteed to run faster than 11.50 @120 mph.

FASTFATBOY

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I copied this from my post on CZ28.com

Ha, a buddy of mine dropped off a box of car books(we swap every couple of years as they accumulate) Lo and behold it has the original dragstrip test of a 69 ZL-1 camaro.

For those of you who do not know, a 1969 ZL-1 is "arguably" the baddest "musclecar" ever built.

The magazine is "Hot Rod Camaros" put out in Dec of 1999.

Track conditions were 40 degrees.

Dick Harrell drove the car

Car had a turbo 400 trans, 4.10 gear,M&H racemasters(think et street), headers and modded ex. Strapped leaf springs(helps traction)

FIrst runs was a best of 12.11@118.35

Swap to a vacuum secondary carb(had a double pumper) 11.85@119.06

Uncapped headers, cool down drop tires to 16 psi. 11.64@122


In the end of the story it states that a year later at a Chevrolet press introduction they rolled out a ZL-1 Vette, with an auto, 4.10 gear and 10.5 wide racemaster slicks. It ran 10.70's, keep in mind that at a Chevrolet press release this particular car was probably a "ringer".


Very cool article with the actual pics of the original drag test.


Just thought I would share.

Cumbias

the ZL1 hands down. . . .

homerunhtr21

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http://www.mcspeed.homestead.com/Camaro.html ....MY favorite I have seen

will69camaro

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Phase III motion performance as mentioned was probably the fastest et, first gen ever produced. As far as the baddest first gen around. I believe IMO that belongs to Steilow's "Mule"

William

Wolfgang427

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I believe Baldwin-Motion and others had L-88's(427)that could be faster because they were modified, but they are not from GM, where as the ZL-1 could be ordered at any Chevy dealer. I never seen the 454 in a 69, but it was available in the 70 and up Baldwin-Motion(LS-6).

Villain281H

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There is a thread concerning the 454 in a 1967-69 Camaro in this section, and to my knowledge there was not a factory 454 install in a first gen Camaro.

Yenko, Dana, Gibb and Nickey did 427 engine swaps prior to 1969 (order a 427 crate and swap it at the dealership), and of course Motion got cars from Baldwin Chevrolet and then swapped engines at their shop.

The COPO (Central Office Production Order) option became available in 1969 to order most models with 427 engines. The option 9560 was for the 427 ZL1 all-aluminum engine (available in Camaro only, 69 produced, Gibb ordered the first 50 at a $4160 retail cost (keep in mind a base 8-cylinder Camaro cost a little over $2700 back then), and the option 9561 was for the 427 engine with iron block and heads. Yenko ordered more option 9561 cars than anyone else (he ordered the first 100 iron block and heads 427 cars, and 201 total Camaros is widely accepted number although some speculate more. Keep in mind he also did '69 Chevelle and '69 Nova models with the iron block 427 engine as well).

Baddest Camaro in collector status - the only first gen factory produced Z/28 Convertible, a 1968 model for Chevrolet Gen mgr. Pete Estes.

Just as an FYI, some older tests done by magazines on the original crappy poly glas tires:

1968 Z/28 with std 4 barrel Holley carb: 14.85 at 101 mph

1968 Z/28 with over-the-counter cross-ram intake and twin 4 barrel Holley carbs: 13.77 at 107 mph

1969 Z/28 with std single 4 barrel Holley carb: 15.40 at 94 mph by one magazine, 15.12 at 94.8 mph by another.

1969 SS 396/375 hp with 4 speed: 14.77 at 98.72 mph

Derek

JS

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I believe there were 2 or so 454's in Motion cars in 69
The engines were being built as early as Sept of 69 for the 70 model yr.

I think u can go over to the motion site or harrel site,I forget which one but its on there somewhere...

I would have to say a Phase III Motion Car was the Fastest 1st Gen Camaro
ZL1 a close 2nd

BonzoHansen

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Zl-1 427 Bbc

will69camaro

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Maybe I just misread, but ZL1 was offered in Vette also.

Also, I agree that as far as I know no 69 First gens ever had a 454 in them, however there might be the rare, late year occasion in which one did get into one by one of the competing dealership modded ones.

William

FMFZAC

The ZL-1 straight from the factory was the fastest. Check out this month's article in Camaro Performers magazine. They have a nice little spread on it. Motion was a tuner, not a factory option. in my opion the baddest first gen ever would have to go to "BIG RED". Come on a 69 camaro that did 222mph and handled as well as it went. Lovely.

Z ROADSTER

Everybodys wrong. In 1969 the Vette and the Camaro was available with the now famous 427 CID L-88 motor which from the factory completely stock except for doug's headers put out well over 600 HP on the engine dyno but could not best the Ford 427 side oiler that came in the Galaxie's. But that engine came with two four barrels, the L-88 came with only one . The 426 HEMI with two four barrels put out 800 HP .

Chadder

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Proof?

FASTFATBOY

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Proof on ANY of the above info. Especially the Hemi. The L88 was never offered in the Camaro from the Factory. Nickey, Motion etc PUT them in the car AFTER they left the factory.


No factory engine with ANY amount of carbs on top will make anywhere NEAR 800 HP.

He may have seen that engine test that was done recently of "factory" rebuilt big blocks on Spike or Speed. Which was a bunch of crap from the get go.

The hemi made 800 hp, hate to tell you no STOCK hemi on the planet makes 800 hp.There was a BUNCH of talk about this test on many message boards.


David

z2fast8

z roadster unless u can prove all that bs thats all it is is bs

Wolfgang427

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Get the facts straight. No Hemi made 800HP from factory, they were all 425. No L-88 from factory in a Camaro, only Corvette(67-69). The highest factory reported HP is 450 in a LS-6 Chevelle-SS in 70. The 66 Corvette with the L-72 427 was also initially labeled 450-HP when introduced, but then lowered to 425-HP after introduction with no explanation by GM. There was also supposed to be a LS-7(454) intoduced in 70 with 460-465-HP and was available in the order guides, but then was cancelled immediately and none made.

Red Camaro SS

They dynoed the hemi's flywheel hp on speed channel and it was 800, dont know if it was gross or net hp