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Old 02-07-2008, 03:39 PM
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Default How many centri guys run lots of overlap and centerlines under 114?

Just testing theories here-I would like to see what the hi-horsepower guys are using? I keep hearing everyone talk about 114-116 centerlines, low overlap, low compression motor build ups.
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Might be worth asking down under, some of them seem to favour such cams..

The 2nd cam I ever tried, was a 230/236 on 112 Thunder profile on my 346, stg 1 ported 853 castings YSi at about 15psi.

It did perform ok. Think I was running about 11.5 at 132mph at the time. I hated how it idled though. Although there may have been other contributing factors.

The wide LSA's just help the idle IMO, and for me, that is important.
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/forced-induction/483164-new-408-dyno-queen-950hp-12psi.html

Although the pics seem to be dead now.

I think the car with that engine ran like 8.62 at 164mph or something, circa 3-3200lbs ?

Drag Ute, with BIG tyres.
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LSA's and duration work together.Depends on valve events and valve overlap.
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For what its worth, our warhawk race motor has a TON of overlap by most peoples standards.
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Subscribing Do any "experiments" on the dyno lately Bro?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=483164

Although the pics seem to be dead now.

I think the car with that engine ran like 8.62 at 164mph or something, circa 3-3200lbs ?

Drag Ute, with BIG tyres.
After reading that I feel real good about my latest cam pick!
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
After reading that I feel real good about my latest cam pick!

What are the specs on your cam?
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Hey, you guys are finally catching on around here If told you the cam specs in my turbo motor, you would say it wouldn't work.
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Originally Posted by turbo'd stang
Hey, you guys are finally catching on around here If told you the cam specs in my turbo motor, you would say it wouldn't work.
LOL-funny you mention Mustang! It was a Mustang guy that ground up my cam!

Am I gonna get banned for being a fox-body lover?
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
LOL-funny you mention Mustang! It was a Mustang guy that ground up my cam!

Am I gonna get banned for being a fox-body lover?
Noticed you are up in Canada....wouldn't be Silva that did your cam?
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Paul and Joe are really good friends for mine! Paul helped me pick out the last cam-it made 920 rwhp on 347 with ported LS6 heads and a F1R!
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I dont think its fair to compare cams in different engines, unless head flow is similar ?

LS heads seem to flow a lot more air than most, and as such, do not need such aggressive cams to make good power.

What sort of cams do the 32v Modular guys run ? Im sure these heads flow very well....although being 4v might skew things.
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
Paul and Joe are really good friends for mine! Paul helped me pick out the last cam-it made 920 rwhp on 347 with ported LS6 heads and a F1R!

Yeah, Joes a real nice guy. He still have his race car?
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Originally Posted by turbo'd stang
Yeah, Joes a real nice guy. He still have his race car?
Yeah bro-I think Mathew Joe's son will be driving it soon. Joe's doing really well-just moved into a 6000 sq/ft shop-and the race car is on the showroom floor!
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
I dont think its fair to compare cams in different engines, unless head flow is similar ?

LS heads seem to flow a lot more air than most, and as such, do not need such aggressive cams to make good power.

What sort of cams do the 32v Modular guys run ? Im sure these heads flow very well....although being 4v might skew things.
The AFR 225's for the Ford and the Chev are comparable, accept for the advantage of the valve angle.
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Originally Posted by eb02z06
Yeah bro-I think Mathew Joe's son will be driving it soon. Joe's doing really well-just moved into a 6000 sq/ft shop-and the race car is on the showroom floor!
That car is a work of art. I remember when Wolfe built, I thought to myself, its too nice to be on a race track...lol. It had some ***** too....235mph back 10 years ago.
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Originally Posted by Hawk108
What are the specs on your cam?
24X/25X .58X/.58X 112+X

Combo is 402, AFR225's(prepped by Dave@CDNperf), LS6 intake, 7.4" .110 wall pushrods from CDNperf, Harlan Sharp modified stock rockers.

We'll be pulling the LS6 off for a Vic Jr-trying to see if we can spin the 402 to 7500 rpm.
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The lift thing will be interesting in terms of rpm ability.

I was recently given some cam choices for an EP82 Starlet turbo engine. I was surprised to see, that the "bigger" the cam got in terms of duration, the lift got smaller.

Normally lift and duration go hand in hand. But if as you say, the lift and aggressive ramps are causing valve float issues, less aggressive cams, albeit still with longish duration could be the way to get a FI build to rev ?
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Originally Posted by stevieturbo
The lift thing will be interesting in terms of rpm ability.

I was recently given some cam choices for an EP82 Starlet turbo engine. I was surprised to see, that the "bigger" the cam got in terms of duration, the lift got smaller.

Normally lift and duration go hand in hand. But if as you say, the lift and aggressive ramps are causing valve float issues, less aggressive cams, albeit still with longish duration could be the way to get a FI build to rev ?
I'm definately no expert, but what kind of spring pressures do you have...and how much boost? If you are floating the valves, it sounds like you need more spring.


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