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Old 07-09-2009, 08:06 AM
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At what point should one go to NSA roller rockers and guideplates instead of the SA's? Do the NSAs require continuous adjustment like the old school roller rockers used to need? My background/future mods: Stock bottom end, LE2 heads cam and ported intake, full exhaust, 58MM TB, 36# injectors, and the rest of the usual bolt ons.
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definatley go with NSA rockers, they are stronger and more stable over a SA rocker. There is no reason to even take a chance by running a SA rocker. NSA's do not require continuous adjustment, you might be confused with a solid roller setup
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SA for anything a GM LT4 hotcam or less (i.e. stock, cc304)

NSA anything above the hotcam and definitly is recommended for the LE cam packages, I do not know if LE are still using Beehive springs but that became the requirement since the valve stem didnt come up as much and there was nothing to align to.

As for adjustment, there is still just as much adjustement for lash like anything else, the PITA part is if you get adj guideplate and they need to be tack welded once you get it aligned correctly.

If I were to do it again, since I have already done it once, is get GM non adj guide plates.
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Originally Posted by ThreeHonks
definatley go with NSA rockers, they are stronger and more stable over a SA rocker. There is no reason to even take a chance by running a SA rocker. NSA's do not require continuous adjustment, you might be confused with a solid roller setup
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SA for anything a GM LT4 hotcam or less (i.e. stock, cc304)

NSA anything above the hotcam and definitly is recommended for the LE cam packages, I do not know if LE are still using Beehive springs but that became the requirement since the valve stem didnt come up as much and there was nothing to align to.

As for adjustment, there is still just as much adjustement for lash like anything else, the PITA part is if you get adj guideplate and they need to be tack welded once you get it aligned correctly.

If I were to do it again, since I have already done it once, is get GM non adj guide plates.
I along with many others have used Trickflow guideplates without issue. Just another option.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
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I along with many others have used Trickflow guideplates without issue. Just another option.
The last time I ran a LT1 was a few years ago so by all mean, if there is something out there, please post. I was using something like the a Bret B. Cam which was a ver 1.5 and I had to sell my SA rockers because of the valve spring issue.
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Originally Posted by BlackScreaminMachine
SA for anything a GM LT4 hotcam or less (i.e. stock, cc304)

NSA anything above the hotcam and definitly is recommended for the LE cam packages, I do not know if LE are still using Beehive springs but that became the requirement since the valve stem didnt come up as much and there was nothing to align to.

As for adjustment, there is still just as much adjustement for lash like anything else, the PITA part is if you get adj guideplate and they need to be tack welded once you get it aligned correctly.

If I were to do it again, since I have already done it once, is get GM non adj guide plates.
Thanks for the input, everyone! 2 more questions about the guideplates and NSA RR's: Do I need to send the guideplates with my cores or are they put on after I get my heads back?

As for 1.6 NSAs, what seems to be everyone's favorite?
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I went ahead and ordered what Lloyd suggested and prefered. I went with the trickflow guideplates no problem and 1305-16 comp cam 1.6 rr's. You can order the parts your self for cheap.
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Originally Posted by afterburner82
Thanks for the input, everyone! 2 more questions about the guideplates and NSA RR's: Do I need to send the guideplates with my cores or are they put on after I get my heads back?

As for 1.6 NSAs, what seems to be everyone's favorite?
You don't have to send out the guideplates with your heads. You install them when you install the roller rockers and ARP rocker arm studs.

Comp Cams Pro Mags 7/16" 1.6 NSA rr's are my favorite. Part# 1305-16 ~$290.
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I also use the TFS guideplates without issues
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Originally Posted by afterburner82

As for 1.6 NSAs, what seems to be everyone's favorite?
I went with 1.6 Comp Cam pro Mags, cheap, effective, and stong.
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
Comp Cams Pro Mags 7/16" 1.6 NSA rr's are my favorite. Part# 1305-16 ~$290.
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I also use the TFS guideplates without issues

This is exaclty what you need (plus ARP 7/16" studs)
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I don't mean to hi-jack but can someone list the part numbers for the trick flow guideplates and ARP rocker studs
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Originally Posted by JB_97ws6TA
I don't mean to hi-jack but can someone list the part numbers for the trick flow guideplates and ARP rocker studs
From a post of mine in another thread:

Comp Cams "CC503" Grind# 276HR-12 part# 07-503-8 $250
Comp Cams beehive springs part# 26918-16 $174
Comp Cams retainters part# 787-16 $50
Comp Cams valve locks part# 648-16 $23
Comp Cams Pro Mag 7/16" 1.6 rr's part# 1305-16 $290
ARP 7/16" rocker arm studs part# 134-7103 $38
TrickFlow guideplates part# 30400623-8 $16
TrickFlow 7.2" chromemoly pushrods part# 21407200 $87
Felpro replacement valve seals part# SS72861 $19
Felpro timing cover gasket kit part# TCS45956 $14


You can get all of the above from SummitRacing
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Definitely go NSA. There have been a lot of SA failures reported recently on the six or so forums I visit, including photos of the damage.

Last week I just finished installing new heads and cam in my son's 96 Vette and I went with a NSA setup. CompCams, TrickFlow and Scorpions.

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