LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Bunch of issues: Can't communicate with PCM, no spark, no injector pulse

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-10-2012, 03:31 PM
  #1  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default Bunch of issues: Can't communicate with PCM, no spark, no injector pulse

Out of left field today the engine cut out on me while driving. Had to tow it to the shop. SES light went on. Before this happened it did cut out on me real quick while driving 3 times but caught itself and still ran.

Can't seem to communicate with the PCM via the dash port. Don't know if Brian over at Kaltech tuning had his program cut communication off with the port. Don't know if this is the norm or not.

Basic diagnosis we have is no injector pulse and no spark. It does run after 20 seconds of cranking. But before today it usually started right up with the turn of the key.

This is all I have to work with right now. Hoping it's not the opti.

Thoughts? Thanx
Old 01-10-2012, 03:35 PM
  #2  
TECH Fanatic
 
05HD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: CT/NJ
Posts: 1,025
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

First thing I would check is power and ground to the computer.
Old 01-10-2012, 03:37 PM
  #3  
Launching!
iTrader: (5)
 
sabastian458's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 220
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

second thing I would check is the ignition fuses in the box under the hood.
Old 01-10-2012, 04:03 PM
  #4  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 05HD
First thing I would check is power and ground to the computer.
Just out of curiosity, does the PCM communicate with the abs and the air bag sensor? The lights on the dashboard have been on for those one too many times.

Would a bad ground to the PCM trigger all of this including communication cutoff?

Last edited by Rob94hawk; 01-10-2012 at 04:11 PM.
Old 01-10-2012, 04:36 PM
  #5  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (8)
 
96TransAmboosted's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Pinellas Park Florida
Posts: 1,550
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I bet the coil pack is bad. Use the diag on shoebox web site. Same thing happen to me when I added the turbo. Went to start and no spark or injector pulse. Sometimes it would start but most of the time nothing. Check the easy stuff first. Fuses, ect.
Old 01-11-2012, 08:14 AM
  #6  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Anyone know the wiring schematics from the pcm to the dash port? This makes no sense. What would cut off the scan tool from the pcm?
Old 01-11-2012, 08:40 AM
  #7  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Probably a dumb question, but if your PCM is OBDI are you scanning with OBDI cable and not OBDII?
Secondly, have you checked to make sure both posts on the power distribution block in the pass. side are tight?
Old 01-11-2012, 08:51 AM
  #8  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SS RRR
Probably a dumb question, but if your PCM is OBDI are you scanning with OBDI cable and not OBDII?
Secondly, have you checked to make sure both posts on the power distribution block in the pass. side are tight?
I already asked him that. He told me that his scanner does both OBD I and II.

Will check the power again.

Does the cigarette lighter power the scan port?

Edit: there's power to the lighter and no fuses are blown. Gonna let the guys at the shop dig deeper. Don't know my *** from my elbow with wiring. Checking fuses and plugging **** in is about as far as I go. I'm bettin this aint gonna be pretty.

Anyone have a good link to a new AC Delco optispark if it comes down to it?

Last edited by Rob94hawk; 01-11-2012 at 09:20 AM.
Old 01-11-2012, 09:23 AM
  #9  
TECH Fanatic
 
05HD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: CT/NJ
Posts: 1,025
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
I already asked him that. He told me that his scanner does both OBD I and II.

Will check the power again.

Does the cigarette lighter power the scan port?

Edit: there's power to the lighter and no fuses are blown. Gonna let the guys at the shop dig deeper. Don't know my *** from my elbow with wiring. Checking fuses and plugging **** in is about as far as I go. I'm bettin this aint gonna be pretty.

Anyone have a good link to a new AC Delco optispark if it comes down to it?
If the check engine light comes on when you turn the key on (engine off) then the computer is turning on and they need to start looking at their scan tool. If it does not come on, the computer isn't on for whatever reason (power/ground/bad computer).
Old 01-11-2012, 09:35 AM
  #10  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
I already asked him that. He told me that his scanner does both OBD I and II. it?
What about the power distribution block?
Old 01-11-2012, 09:43 AM
  #11  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 05HD
If the check engine light comes on when you turn the key on (engine off) then the computer is turning on and they need to start looking at their scan tool. If it does not come on, the computer isn't on for whatever reason (power/ground/bad computer).
Talked to another reputable tuner and he said it's common for the 94-95 pcm's to have a bad driver. Could be a bad ground as well.

Originally Posted by SS RRR
What about the power distribution block?
No idea WTF that is.

Last edited by Rob94hawk; 01-11-2012 at 11:30 AM.
Old 01-11-2012, 09:52 AM
  #12  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Fastened to your passenger inner fender behind the battery:

Old 01-11-2012, 09:54 AM
  #13  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Ok wasn't sure if that was it or not so as far as I can tell everything was locked down tight.
Old 01-11-2012, 05:25 PM
  #14  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (32)
 
Ralls's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Fairfax, Virginia
Posts: 1,687
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Check the fuel pump relay under the kick panel. The pcm will not communicate if it is bad.
Old 01-11-2012, 07:28 PM
  #15  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Ralls
Check the fuel pump relay under the kick panel. The pcm will not communicate if it is bad.
At this point I'll look into anything to avoid an optispark swap. Thanx
Old 01-11-2012, 08:11 PM
  #16  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (15)
 
MasterTomos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Northeast Iowa
Posts: 3,508
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

Are they using an OBD1 connector/scanner to check your stuff? Ive had shops tried to use an OBD2 scanner on mine before.
Old 01-13-2012, 10:19 AM
  #17  
TECH Fanatic
Thread Starter
iTrader: (1)
 
Rob94hawk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,662
Received 25 Likes on 13 Posts

Default

End result. Dead AC Delco opti after 500 miles. Yeah, real reliable....

MSD unit on the way.
Old 01-13-2012, 10:43 AM
  #18  
TECH Addict
iTrader: (1)
 
ahritchie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Charlotte NC
Posts: 2,243
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

Originally Posted by Rob94hawk
End result. Dead AC Delco opti after 500 miles. Yeah, real reliable....

MSD unit on the way.
LMAO that sucks....and many on here say the Delco optis are the "only way to go". They all have issues...part of the fun of being a LT1 owner unfortunately.
Old 01-13-2012, 12:33 PM
  #19  
TECH Fanatic
iTrader: (4)
 
95mysticta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Oshawa, Ontario
Posts: 1,365
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

An MSD Opti is no better lol... do a search and see what you find on them.

IMO you could have got a dud like a lot of us get but wasting even more cash on something thats just as if not worse for reliability is a no no! Pick up a new Delco from Summit and give it a shot. Thats what i would do if i was in your position. Shame if you could to wait till spring as ill have a nearly new 5k old delco opti and msd cap n rotor kit with maybe 2-3 k since i put the motor in. Im going to let all my stuff go up cheap once i get to pulling the motor apart for the EFI 24x swap come spring.
Old 01-13-2012, 02:23 PM
  #20  
Staging Lane
iTrader: (1)
 
dagridiron01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Alabama
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

You don't kno how much you have help me I have been try n to figured this out for a while everyone i asked told me the opti had nothing to do with injector pulse


Quick Reply: Bunch of issues: Can't communicate with PCM, no spark, no injector pulse



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:28 PM.