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Old 09-02-2015, 10:53 PM
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I finally finished my le2 24x build and just started it. 1st I had a coolant leak from the crossover tube even though I had replaced the bolts, new gaskets, and torqued the bolts to 30 ft lb. So I cranked on it and that leak has seemed to have stopped. Then I noticed that a lot of fuel was leaking out of the #8 injector. These are used 30 lb red top bosch ev1 injectors that I got from my brother. Before I installed them I rebuilt them all with a kit that had everything including new o-rings. I ended up pulling out the injectors and replacing the o-rings with my stock o-rings that are thicker. It didn't change a thing. Still leaks. What else can I do besides buy new injectors? I did notice that when I took out my stock injectors the clips that hold them in the fuel rail won't fit the red tops. So I didn't use them. I did notice when plugging the injector harness in that the injectors will push down into the intake. Do I want them pushed down into the intake or pushed as tight as I can to the fuel rail? They really don't seem as tight as they should be.
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You want the injector more in the rail than the intake for sure
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+1 for having them more in the rail than intake.

I do find it odd that the injector clips don't fit. Are they fat like the stock injectors or the skinnier ones (like what came on stock 03-04 Cobras)? If they are skinny then you could probably have a machine shop cut a groove that would line up with the clips. I have seen it done without causing any problems with leaks or reliability.
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They are fat like the stock ones. The groove that the clip fits in is not all the way around like the stock injectors so the clips won't fit. I just don't understand why only the #8 injector is leaking
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Here is a pic of #5 and #7. #5 is up all the way in the rail. #7 is pushed down all the way. Neither one of these is leaking. Could #8 just be a bad injector?
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I had no trouble with my stock clips holding my FMS 30# injectors.

Do you know if the #8 hole in the fuel rail perfectly smooth and undamaged? It might not be the o-ring or injector. Might be damage on the fuel rail.

interchange #8 and #6 injectors(or #8 with another injector that has no leaking issue). See if the problem moves. If not, the problem is your fuel rail.
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I had no trouble with my stock clips holding my FMS 30# injectors.

Do you know if the #8 hole in the fuel rail perfectly smooth and undamaged? It might not be the o-ring or injector. Might be damage on the fuel rail.

interchange #8 and #6 injectors(or #8 with another injector that has no leaking issue). See if the problem moves. If not, the problem is your fuel rail.
I'll swap them when I get home Sat morning. I'm stuck at work for 48 hrs. I'm not sure how there would be a problem with my fuel rail. It's just my stock one that never had an issue before.
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#8 is sitting way too high (obviously). I couldn't get the clips onto my Delphi injectors and have never had a problem. When I plug them in, I just hold the injector body to keep it from shifting. I place mine so both O-rings are about even in both the rail and intake bores.
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I didn't notice that. It is too high. Must be causing the o-ring not to seal in the rail. I gave such quick look at the picture that I didn't see that. Nice catch!
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Make sure nothing is stuck in the intake hole. I have had some pintle caps stick inside of those before after taking injectors out. Another thing I do is dab some oil around the injector o rings to help install and seat them. The fuel rail bolts, when tightened have enough pressure to keep the injectors seated without the use of the factory clips.
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So here's my problem now. As I was in the process of swapping a few of the injector I noticed that when I removed them 6 out of the 8 were missing O-rings, spacers, and pintle caps. They were all on when I installed them. I got a few of the O-rings and spacers out that were still stuck in the intake. The others had fallen down into the heads. I pulled my tb off and with a small hose and vacuum I got all the pieces out Except for 1 pintle cap! Could the valve just happen to be open for that 1 cylinder and the pintle cap be in there? How am I supposed to get this out/find it? Name:  20150907_145844_zpsx91mdoma.jpg
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Try and rotate the engine with a ratchet and see if you can get to it.
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Originally Posted by matt94z
Try and rotate the engine with a ratchet and see if you can get to it.
That's what I ended up doing. I got all of them out through the front of the intake except the last one. They had all fallen into the heads. The last one I got out with a small hose attached to the vacuum. I fed the hose down the #8 injector hole and it actually grabbed it. I really lucked out. I thought I was gonna have to pull the intake. As for the injectors. I talked to FIC and ordered a set of their blue devil 30 lbs. They still have EV1 connectors but with the newer style long body.
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While I was under the car I noticed that the steam pipe bolt on the passenger side was leaking again. I already bought new bolts and washers from hawks. I torqued them to 30 ft lbs. The drivers side is fine, the pass side is the problem. Any suggestions? I already cranked down on the bolt and it's still leaking.
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My steam pipe actually got a little tweaked when I replaced my head gaskets a few weeks ago and I experienced some leaks. I took one of my old washers and added it to the banjo bolt and it was enough to fix it.
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Btw, if you take a small socket(just a little bigger then the pintle cap) and press it down, you should be able to get the pintle caps "clicked" into place.
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Originally Posted by matt94z
Btw, if you take a small socket(just a little bigger then the pintle cap) and press it down, you should be able to get the pintle caps "clicked" into place.
That's what I did to begin with. I bought a kit and rebuilt the injectors. The pintle caps were tight and clicked. Not sure how they decided to come off. I'm not even going to mess with them again. I have new ones that should be here tomorrow. Too bad I have to work 72 hrs starting tomorrow. I can't mess with the car again till Fri.
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Originally Posted by Huntr1117
While I was under the car I noticed that the steam pipe bolt on the passenger side was leaking again. I already bought new bolts and washers from hawks. I torqued them to 30 ft lbs. The drivers side is fine, the pass side is the problem. Any suggestions? I already cranked down on the bolt and it's still leaking.

Do this....You can use -06 push-loc for it all if you want. I used SS braid because I have alot of it laying around.

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Do this....You can use -06 push-loc for it all if you want. I used SS braid because I have alot of it laying around.

That will be my next choice if this doesn't work.

I had a chance to stop at a parts store while I was working yesterday and picked up a couple of these

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They are almost the same size as the stock washer/gasket. I might also add a thin layer of silicone. Before anyone asks, that is just the old stock bolt. I have new ones already.



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