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Old 06-08-2012, 06:28 AM
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i just got my 2000 ws6 about a mounth ago right before i got deployed to afganistan and now im looking for a good heads and cam do yall think 317 heads will work on my car and if so what kind of cam will i need?


here is the info on the heads oh yeah and there only $250

The 317 heads are identical to LS6 heads, except that they have a larger combustion chamber. The heads can be safely milled to raise the compression ratio. Less than 27K miles on these heads. They are complete with yellow LS6 valve springs.
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I would pass on the 317's unless you are going to go forced induction. You have to mill alot off to get back to stock compression. Then you run into piston to valve clearance problems. I would look for some 241's or 243/799's and work those heads. Search 317 heads in the internal engine section there are a bunch of threads about what it takes to get the compression up on a 346ci with 317's.
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Agreed, unless you're going with boost I'd pass on them and keep an eye out for some used 243 or 799 casting heads. that's the LS6/LS2 head and they will perform better than your stock heads and the 317 castings!
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ok cool thanks guys what would be a good cam to go along with the ls6 heads? im just looking to be around 450hp nothing to crazy
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What kind of driveability are you looking for? Do you have any boltons on this car or is it stock? Exhaust and intake manifold should come first before the H/C combo. Also to get to your 450 hp goal that head/cam package needs to breathe.
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yeah i got the tsp 1 3/4 long tubes and the tsp true duals full slp cold air system and im looking for an ls6 intake

and driveability its my daily driver for now
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Originally Posted by joseph 2000 ws6
yeah i got the tsp 1 3/4 long tubes and the tsp true duals full slp cold air system and im looking for an ls6 intake
Originally Posted by joseph 2000 ws6
and driveability its my daily driver for now
This would be my choice for a daily driver... 114 lsa
http://www.texas-speed.com/p-1148-te...-camshaft.aspx
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ok cool thanks ill order that cam as soon as i find me some ls6 heads
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check the used parts section below .a 228r cam is a good DD cam.whats your budget ?
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wel im trying to pay off my car right now but i still have a good size budget about five grand to go into the whole car
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oh ya 5 grand is plenty, especially if you do the work your self. If you have a shop put it together, h/c of course hardened pushrods and .600+ lift valve springs, then a dyno tune you are looking @ $3500-$4000. Labor prices can be ridiculous.
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heck yeah i hear ya labor is ridiculous. yeah im going to be doing it all my self ill have the garage to myself for about a month when i get back to start and finish everything i need to get done and than try and find a good dyno place in az to get a good tune
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I ran 317s with my old budget setup... Worked perfect, car ran better ET/mph than most people would have guessed for the setup.
The 317s were milled .030 and hand ported, I would guarantee they worked better than most sponsors stage 1 ls6 head.

You can usually get heads milled for around 150$. You can find 317s for 200 or less if you search, you will have 350$ in a head that will perform better than a stock ls6 head (because of the raised compression) that costs 500$+.

I ran mine with a similar cam to the 228r... Mine was 226/228 .588 114

If you are going to go that route though let me know.. I sold the heads to a buddy of mine but he is going with a D1 so bought a stock set of 317s, he is selling the heads I had. My cam was specd to use with those heads in mind, so a 228R would work perfect.
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Originally Posted by lemons12
I ran 317s with my old budget setup... Worked perfect, car ran better ET/mph than most people would have guessed for the setup.
The 317s were milled .030 and hand ported, I would guarantee they worked better than most sponsors stage 1 ls6 head.

You can usually get heads milled for around 150$. You can find 317s for 200 or less if you search, you will have 350$ in a head that will perform better than a stock ls6 head (because of the raised compression) that costs 500$+.

I ran mine with a similar cam to the 228r... Mine was 226/228 .588 114

If you are going to go that route though let me know.. I sold the heads to a buddy of mine but he is going with a D1 so bought a stock set of 317s, he is selling the heads I had. My cam was specd to use with those heads in mind, so a 228R would work perfect.

But 243s are the only head that makes power OP they will work fine, they will need some work obviously
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look at a head/cam combo from vengeance racing or Texas Speed.a ls6 intake will support 440 rwhp,but a fast intake compliments a good set of heads.
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Originally Posted by garygnu
look at a head/cam combo from vengeance racing or Texas Speed.a ls6 intake will support 440 rwhp,but a fast intake compliments a good set of heads.
Umm no, LS6s drop off to something like a FAST pretty quick as soon as you swap out a cam, even something as mild as a 224
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The ls6 intake doesn't lack so much keeping up rwhp as the rpm limitations. They fall off around 5800rpms .. This is where the huge gains come from a fast swap especially with a cam.
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^Amazes me how someone else finally understands
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Originally Posted by Faught
oh ya 5 grand is plenty, especially if you do the work your self. If you have a shop put it together, h/c of course hardened pushrods and .600+ lift valve springs, then a dyno tune you are looking @ $3500-$4000. Labor prices can be ridiculous.
Hardened pushrods are from the days of engines with guideplates...which these engines don't have.
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Originally Posted by Mike454SS
Hardened pushrods are from the days of engines with guideplates...which these engines don't have.
Still with a bigger cam it is cheep insurance to go ahead and have hardened pushrods, I have seen small cams bend factory pushrods with a tune in about 3K miles.


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