Ohmyneck

Maybe everyone has lost their faith in the LS1, and its potential, but yet I am still a firm believer I know what these motors are capable of, and I know with the aid of minor bolt on's what they can do. I made a post at LS2.com and I'm not by any means trying to start a board war. I claimed that a LS1 with bolt on's and full exhaust should hang with a stock Z06. I'm not talking the 2001 385 hp model either. I'm talking the big dog 405 horse, good for mid 12 second timeslips. Am I just smoking crack, or are these guys just doubtful as to what the LS1 can do? I thought for sure with bolt-on's and full exhaust it would be good for some mid 12's as well?

Jordan57

With all bolt ons and a rear end w/ slicks and a clutch if its a m6 or a TC if it's A4.....low 12's for sure....I'm sure people are running faster than that too with lighter cars....different gears etc

Ohmyneck

Whoa whoa whoa.. Slow down there junior. I'm not saying "all bolt ons and a rear end w/ slicks and a clutch".. If you start saying all of that this post will jump off of topic REAL quick.

I'm just saying a bolt-on car with full exhaust M6 or A4 whatever you prefer. We arent talking slick's a clutch yada yada.. that will take away from the point I'm trying to make.

ActionJack

I have seen more than one claim that a 01' and 02' A4 with catback and TC of even 2800 will hit mid 12 sec in the 1/4.

Completely stock the same are doing 13 sec, so a TC and exhaust should be good for .5 sec or so.

badhoopty

i've had the pleasure of my boss giving me his keys to his 405horse z06 when he's out on buisness trips, and now that i own my own ls1ws6 (stock), i would like to think that with full bolt-ons it would be able to at least run with one. but i dunno, them z06's are pretty quick.

'02 SLP#686

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I have seen an NON Z06 run a 12.4 with just a tune - nothing else. The major defeat to the F-Bod is the suspension and launch.

If you want to fight the arguement that an LS1 based Vette can beat a Z06 with just a few bolt ons, then go for it. I have quite a few bolt ons, a tune and run on drag radials with aftermarket clutch and check my sig for my time... I'm sure the car could be driven better, but I've raced Z06's before... I'd need a few more ponies...

TA TED

I can agree that the LS1 would run mid twelves no doubt. As for the ZO6, I've heard of some pretty impressive stock times, perhaps even in the 11's. You'd have to get their input though.

Windy City

My '02 Z did 12.1 @ 109 (1.62) with bolt-ons.

Mods:
Lid
Ported TB
Macs
ORY
SLP 2OTL
Yank ST3800
Pulley
Convo Pro fronts w/165 radials
Warrior rears with Hoosier 26 X 11.5 X 15 QTP.

Only jack and spare removed to lighten the car, full tank of gas and +1600 DA.

Ohmyneck

I've heard that too, but you guys remember the GMHightech article that claims a 12.89 out of a stock Z28 LS1? Everyone over there thinks I'm smoking crack but with equal drivers, I think it would come down within a car link or 2. Of corse the LS1 out front

Ohmyneck

But thats with slicks, and a converter you dont count

Jordan57

Oh I didn't know you were talking about not all bolt ons...I just assumed you meant all of them....I mean that's what everyone else usually means by it. But a rear end is needed in a 6spd car to launch decently....the A4 needs just the converter but both need some sort of sticky tire....drag radials what have you. At the hotrod power tour test and tune a couple days ago at Gateway International....there were two Z06's....the fastest run of either was 13.2...slowest being 14.7....and there were many a LS1 and even a few LT1 cars running anywhere from 11.00(spraying) to 13.5....light bolt on cars....but mid twelves were the norm....all about that 60' time

Ohmyneck

You cant compare a car with slicks to a car without slicks that just a handicap. ALL I'm saying is EVERY OTHER bolt on besides a rear end, and slicks, or a converter.

'02 SLP#686

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Big converter and slicks... not fair
My race weight for the 12.9 pass was 3674.

Mods:
K&N FIPK II
FTRA
SLP LT's, ORY, MAgnaflow
Spec II
LS1 Edit tune (quick)
on BFG Drags.

If I could get my 60' in the 1.6 range... well then I'd be low 12's too

Ohmyneck

but what do you guys think.. Am i way to far out of line here? Could it be done with equal drivers?

'02 SLP#686

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With real a good driver, the Z06 will run low 12's EASILY. That's a whole SECOND you'd have to make up with bolt-ons... then get a good launch??? It's possible, but you'd probably have a factory freak on your hands.

Just fight the arguement the way I do... I paid 20K less and I have 4 seats!

Hawkn01

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Bolt-on stock internal here, ran a best of 11.25@118.48

Windy City

How's a converter and DOT tires not fair? The first thing an A4 needs is a converter and it's a bolt-on by any means of the term. My ST3800 is very streetable and not as extreme as a TP4400. Running a DOT tire is as fair as anythng else. Run a stock Z06 with DOT tires and a 12.1 will still hang with it. Before the Macs and pulley and on Nittos I ran a 12.6 @ 106.

I made my runs with bolt-ons and through a full exhaust, just like you claimed.

silverbeast

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most vete owners are way to proud to admit that an f-body will run w/ them. i am dealing w/ one at work now. anyway i was at the track w/ a zo6 and he had a few bolt ons. i had everything in my sig except my throttle body. i ran a 12.38 @ 114 and he ran a 12.5xxx @ 114. so yes it can be done. i was giving up alot of weight to.

Ohmyneck

Well your taking advantage of the other car, by not giving it that advantage also. Why race a car thats handicapped and claim your car is badass because you beat it? Traction would be the issue then. A converter, or a clutch is breaking into the transmission. I'm saying keep both stock, but let the LS1 see less hp and watch it hang right beside the Z06. I really think this could be done, but everyone seems to doubt that fact. I'm not saying it would be a landslide win, but I think it would be really damn close IMO

BigBronco

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Well just to let you know before he chimes in here, J-rod has ran multiple high 11's in his BONE STOCK z06... he drives the fastest stock Z06 in the nation, but then again, most drivers are not on his level of driving expertise

As far as the argument goes, this can happen, but it is more likely going to come out with the z06 ahead

Gray