Dumb Question - Cam with stock stall
08-24-2016, 12:06 PM
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Dumb Question - Cam with stock stall How driveable would my car be with stock stall and a decent sized cam?
I have a yank ss3600 stall ordered but due to being built to order I'm still waiting on it.
My car is basically stock but this weekend I have access to a lift and a few friends are helping me do anything we can get done (I'm going on 2 months with a bad foot injury that has kept me from doing jack ****).
Currently the plan is to install my headers, y-pipe, catback, 3.73's, lid, intake, air/egr deletes, o2 extensions, wideband, trans temp, trans cooler, and then some general maintenance stuff. If I order the cam today I could have it Saturday since my friends are urging me to go ahead and do it while we're all free and have access to the lift and have so much apart.
Thing is I probably still have a week or two until the yank gets here. Would it be halfway driveable with the cam (more specifically I'm planning on the torquer v2) without the stall for a bit? I'm not talking WOT/racing it. Just taking it out to the meets a couple nights and potentially driving it 30 miles to work a couple times. If not - as long as it'd be okay driving home to await the stall I'd be happy with that.
I have a yank ss3600 stall ordered but due to being built to order I'm still waiting on it.
My car is basically stock but this weekend I have access to a lift and a few friends are helping me do anything we can get done (I'm going on 2 months with a bad foot injury that has kept me from doing jack ****).
Currently the plan is to install my headers, y-pipe, catback, 3.73's, lid, intake, air/egr deletes, o2 extensions, wideband, trans temp, trans cooler, and then some general maintenance stuff. If I order the cam today I could have it Saturday since my friends are urging me to go ahead and do it while we're all free and have access to the lift and have so much apart.
Thing is I probably still have a week or two until the yank gets here. Would it be halfway driveable with the cam (more specifically I'm planning on the torquer v2) without the stall for a bit? I'm not talking WOT/racing it. Just taking it out to the meets a couple nights and potentially driving it 30 miles to work a couple times. If not - as long as it'd be okay driving home to await the stall I'd be happy with that.
08-24-2016, 01:15 PM
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I'm tuning it myself via hptuners so I'll just tune it as I go. Hell I'd like to think the stall will make it here next week so I could get it done potentially the following weekend.
Just wanting to make use of the lift as much as possible since it's hard to find much free time to use it like this without cost. + having a few friends all offering to help at once is motivating me a bit since I have another month or two before I'm healed enough that I'll be mobile enough to do indepth work with the trans or a cam job for example.
08-24-2016, 01:24 PM
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It will most likely try to push through the brakes. Sort of like trying to stop when keeping a manual car in gear. Not quite so violent but similar.
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You mentioned having HP tuners, you'll need that to make it driveable as the stock A4 idle speed will be too low to reasonably operate the car using that cam without an idle speed bump (you could two-foot it, but that's not reasonable for anything more than getting the car home IMO.)
The biggest issue with the stock stall and basic driveability will be this:
The higher idle speed + tight stock stall will cause this issue, and the idle characteristics of the cam will exaggerate it further. That's one of the many areas where a higher stall speed will help.
Of coruse, there will be many other tuning concerns as well. But with your own tuning suite you can tune and retune as needed.
The biggest issue with the stock stall and basic driveability will be this:
The higher idle speed + tight stock stall will cause this issue, and the idle characteristics of the cam will exaggerate it further. That's one of the many areas where a higher stall speed will help.
Of coruse, there will be many other tuning concerns as well. But with your own tuning suite you can tune and retune as needed.
08-24-2016, 04:54 PM
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You mentioned having HP tuners, you'll need that to make it driveable as the stock A4 idle speed will be too low to reasonably operate the car using that cam without an idle speed bump (you could two-foot it, but that's not reasonable for anything more than getting the car home IMO.)
The biggest issue with the stock stall and basic driveability will be this:
The higher idle speed + tight stock stall will cause this issue, and the idle characteristics of the cam will exaggerate it further. That's one of the many areas where a higher stall speed will help.
Of coruse, there will be many other tuning concerns as well. But with your own tuning suite you can tune and retune as needed.
The biggest issue with the stock stall and basic driveability will be this:
The higher idle speed + tight stock stall will cause this issue, and the idle characteristics of the cam will exaggerate it further. That's one of the many areas where a higher stall speed will help.
Of coruse, there will be many other tuning concerns as well. But with your own tuning suite you can tune and retune as needed.
It's a friend's hptuners but I figure I should be able to figure it out. I've tuned my DSM's for years via ecmlink and have tuned hondata s300. Friend is lending me his tunerschool CD's/books for hptuners so I can learn myself up on it a bit. Will still get a dyno tune but probably not until next spring when I plan to have some ported 243's, a built trans, bigger fuel system, and spray.
Sounds like its reasonable that I'll be able to tune it well enough on the stock stall to put around town a bit for as long as it takes for the stall to be on my doorstep. Either way it should have the stall within the next week or two
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08-26-2016, 10:15 PM
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Gotcha. Thank you all for the responses.
It's a friend's hptuners but I figure I should be able to figure it out. I've tuned my DSM's for years via ecmlink and have tuned hondata s300. Friend is lending me his tunerschool CD's/books for hptuners so I can learn myself up on it a bit. Will still get a dyno tune but probably not until next spring when I plan to have some ported 243's, a built trans, bigger fuel system, and spray.
Sounds like its reasonable that I'll be able to tune it well enough on the stock stall to put around town a bit for as long as it takes for the stall to be on my doorstep. Either way it should have the stall within the next week or two
It's a friend's hptuners but I figure I should be able to figure it out. I've tuned my DSM's for years via ecmlink and have tuned hondata s300. Friend is lending me his tunerschool CD's/books for hptuners so I can learn myself up on it a bit. Will still get a dyno tune but probably not until next spring when I plan to have some ported 243's, a built trans, bigger fuel system, and spray.
Sounds like its reasonable that I'll be able to tune it well enough on the stock stall to put around town a bit for as long as it takes for the stall to be on my doorstep. Either way it should have the stall within the next week or two
