vipert/a

Hi, the product mentioned on the title: is this safe/good for our engines? or can you point me towards a better/safer product (sticking to the stock side of things ofcourse/ i am bone stock). thanks guys!

02silvaZ

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i usually go with the GUMOUT Complete Fuel System Cleaner, works well i suppose, my gas mileage has never dropped off and actually improved on the highway, you can pick it up at walmart for about $3.50

vipert/a

i see... good stuff. anybody else wanna share something? thanks!

00T\A

Techron is good stuff.
I use it every other oil change.

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RPM WS6

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I like the Red Line fuel system treatment. I use some with every fill up of gas in my Camaro. I use a 1/5 ounce of treatment to 1 gallon of gas ratio. That's what Red Line recommends for continual use to keep the fuel system clean.

It's been working great for me.

vipert/a

hmm... your the only one i've heard of doing this. sounds efficient though

BAD2000TA

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Chevron's Techron is probably the best out there. Really does a good job cleaning and maintaining the engine.

datboibrad

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at work i sell alot of the techron as well as berryman b12. both are good.

Danny2tek

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The stuff you buy at a GM dealership is a relabled/rebranded bottle of Techron.

black01_WS6

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Seafoam works very well. There is a big stickey in the general maintence thread.

vipert/a

is that right? positive? how do you know? thanks

vipert/a

i heaRD, BUT I'VE ALSO HEARD of bad stuff... good reviews though and tempting to try but, im scared.

RPM WS6

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My thought is, why wait for things to get gumed up, then flush it all out at once? Why not just prevent the gum/varnish/deposit build up from even forming in the first place?

Some fuel system treatments are abrasive solvents that really shouldn't be used continually. But Red Line is a detergent that is safe (and recommended) for continual use in small doses. They say between 1/3 and 1/6 ounce per gallon is best; I just use 1/5 ounce because the math is easy that way (.2 ounces for every gallon). So if I buy 5 gallons, that's one ounce. 10 gallons is two ounces, anything inbetween I just use 1.5 ounces.

I do this mainly because my car sits a lot, and I had noticed after many years of limited driving that sometimes on a cold start the engine would need to crank for quite a while before firing up. Also, I'd get a bit of pinging when jumping on the gas at low rpms, the idle was sometimes a little rough, and throttle response had degraded a bit. So I dumped a full bottle of Red Line in for initial cleanup, then started using the small doses with every fill up. These days, the engine runs perfect. Even if the car sits for 1 month without being started, it fires up within just a couple cranks, like it had just been running 10 mins ago. No more pinging, under any conditions, plus a better idle and throttle response is like new again. I've been very happy with the product.

vipert/a

nice... where to buy and how much $ir?

RPM WS6

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In the begining, I used to order it from www.thunderracing.com (site sponsor).

But now Pep Boys carries it, so I can buy it locally which saves the hassle of mail order.

I think I pay about $7-8 for a bottle. I beleive the bottle is 15 ounces, so I get about 5 full tanks of gas to a bottle. So it's costing me $1-2 extra per tank to run this stuff. Seems worth it to me, considering the positive results.

RPM WS6

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Here's a quick summary from Red Line's website:

SI-1 Complete Fuel System Cleaner


SI-1's injector and valve detergent is a concentrated package of the most powerful high-temperature detergents available to clean gasoline fuel injectors or carburetors, intake valves and combustion chambers and can clean injectors to nearly 100% efficiency in one treatment. The cleansing effect on injector deposits can raise fuel economy approximately 12% or even greater, depending on the condition of the injectors.

SI-1 also contains detergents and a synthetic upper cylinder lubricant which will help clean pollution control valves and can reduce octane requirements by two numbers. SI-1 also protects the fuel system from rust.

Use one bottle with a full tank or use in smaller doses for continued maintenance, as SI-1 treats up to 100 gallons. Safe for continual use.

RPM WS6

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More info:

RED LINE SI-1™ INJECTOR & VALVE DETERGENT
contains the most powerful high-temperature detergent
available to clean gasoline fuel injectors, carburetors,
and intake valves. SI-1 can clean injectors to nearly
100% efficiency with one application and SI-1 will
typically provide a 90-99% reduction in intake valve
deposits compared to detergent unleaded gasoline,
improving performance and fuel economy considerably.
Clean air regulations and the change from leaded fuel
to unleaded has left refiners short of adequate octane
capacity, which forces them to use cracking and
oxygenates such as alcohols and MTBE (methyl tertiary
butyl ether) to supplement octane. This has created a
tremendous problem of coking of fuel injector tips and
intake valve deposits which can cause problems within
1000 miles of driving. Alcohol-containing fuels have
been demonstrated to cause between 3 to 5 times more
deposits on valves than fuels without such oxygenates.
Modern electronic engine technology has enabled auto
manufactures to provide performance while meeting
emissions requirements by using computers which keep
the engine operating at the lean limit of combustion.
Unfortunately, fast burn/lean burn engines are much
less tolerant of deposits than were older engines which
operated at richer mixtures. Intake valve or fuel injector
deposits can alter the air/fuel mixture in individual cylinders,
causing a lean misfire. Since the electronic
sensors sense an average signal in the exhaust, this
causes a further leaning to the point of significant
hesitation and stumbling, especially while accelerating.
Many refiners are not willing treat all their fuel with high
temperature detergents to clean dirty injectors, but
instead use larger doses of less costly carburetor detergents,
which can partially clean simple cases, but the
poor stability of these detergents cause another, equally
serious problem - they break down and form deposits
on valves, causing a restriction of intake air and poor
driveability. Many other fuel additives try to achieve
cleanup using solvents which can clean in a very
concentrated form, but provide very little effectiveness
when diluted in a fuel tank. Solvents have the potential
drawback of causing swelling and degradation of seals
and hoses in the fuel system. Red Line SI-1 uses
surface active chemistry which cleans effectively and
safely.

SUMMARY
• Cleans injectors and carbs to like-new efficiency
• Prevents fuel system rust
• Cleans intake valve deposits
• Lubricates upper cylinder and valves
• Reduces pre-ignition and run-on
• Cleans emission control systems
• Stabilizes gasoline and prevents carburetor icing
• Safe for all gasoline vehicles

CLEANS INJECTORS AND CARBURETORS
Powerful thermally-stable detergents contained in Red
Line SI-1 are capable of cleaning fuel injectors and
carburetors to nearly 100% efficiency. Red Line's
detergents are so concentrated that this degree of
cleanliness can be achieved with one treatment.
Injector plugging problems
can manifest as sluggishness, hesitation, poor
idling, and poor fuel economy. Use SI-1 instead of
taking the car in for a shop injector cleanup. SI-1 is
just as effective as pressurized solvent treatments at a
fraction of the cost and trouble. Red Line SI-1 is also
very effective at cleaning carburetor deposits which can
cause poor performance and run-on.

IMPROVES PERFORMANCE AND FUEL ECONOMY
Fouled injector tips can provide poor fuel spray
patterns, causing incomplete combustion which results
in poor performance and fuel economy. Modern microprocessor-
controlled feedback systems compound the
problem by sensing an average rich condition, leaning
out all cylinders to the point of lean misfire.
Regular use of SI-1 will keep optimum fuel
economy and performance. Red Line SI-1 effectively
cleans up deposits on fuel injectors, restoring performance,
fuel economy, and emissions compliance.

ENTIRE INTAKE SYSTEM CLEANLINESS
Unstable hydrocarbon mixtures present in today's fuels
along with detergent additives added to gasoline by
many refiners in order to claim the ability to clean fuel
injectors has created an entirely new problem - intake
system deposits. These fuel components and additives
decompose readily at the higher temperatures of the
intake valves. This results in sticky deposits which
restrict the intake air and cause fuel to condense on
their surface, making the mixture too lean to provide
proper acceleration. Red Line SI-1 not only prevents
these deposits, but the synthetic oils and detergents
can actually wash these deposits away.
Red Line SI-1 is effective in a wide variety of fuels and
engines. The detergents
and synthetic oils in Red Line SI-1 can wash
away existing intake valve deposits when used on a
regular basis. This will allow the engine to breathe
better, restoring power and eliminating hesitation.

CLEANS EMISSION CONTROLS
Dirty injectors and carburetors can cause significantly
greater exhaust emissions than allowed by state and
federal requirements. Red Line SI-1 can help reduce
these emissions by cleaning the carburetor, injectors
and the emission control system.
The detergents used survive the combustion
process and clean the PCV valve and the EGR port as
well as cleaning deposits in the combustion chamber.

PREVENTS RUST
The major problem with water in fuel is the rusting of
the fuel system which will occur. Even the slightest
rust on the injection metering valves can require a new
metering system or injectors. Red Line SI-1 will
disperse small amounts of water such as condensation
water into the fuel. The rust inhibitors contained in SI-1
will prevent rust even in the presence of large amounts
of water compared with untreated gasoline.

USE DIRECTIONS
Initially use one bottle to a fuel tank and fill with fuel
to achieve rapid cleanup. The treatment can be
reduced on subsequent fillups to 1/3-1/6 oz per
gallon (one bottle to 50-100 gallons) to provide
continual injector and valve cleanliness. The detergents
and antioxidants help prevent the formation of
gum and varnish in gasoline, and the rust inhibitors
prevent corrosion. Red Line SI-1 will not damage fuel
system components and the combustion by-products
do not cause corrosion of engine bearings as can
many fuel additives. Red Line SI-1 is available in 15
ounce bottles, 5 gallon pails, and 55 gallon drums.
Similar chemistry is available in a 6 ounce, less
concentrated version called SI-2 Injector & Valve
Detergent.

vipert/a

sounds like a deal! thanks man!

LT1wannabe

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I've used Pennzoil 10W30 every oil change and never put a "flush" product in there. Never had anything go wrong in 80k miles, and it still runs pretty much like when I test drove it. The only thing is that I'm suspect about the mpg.