newb style question about widebands...
12-03-2006, 11:29 PM
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newb style question about widebands... Hey guys this is my first post in this section, believe it or not...I want to learn more about the tuning aspect of these cars..
anyway, what are some plus's to having a wideband in your car?
my buddy asked me about one the other day and I look like this
thanks
anyway, what are some plus's to having a wideband in your car?
my buddy asked me about one the other day and I look like this
thanks
12-04-2006, 06:13 AM
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I would say it is like being able to bomb a preschool in a country as compared to just being able to hit the country.
If you don't use a wideband you can't tune each individual cell. You can only tune based on how big your long term trim cells are. I think there are only 9 in the whole car as compared to being able to tune 100s of them with the WB.
The WB is worth your time if you plan on going to WOT alot.
If you don't use a wideband you can't tune each individual cell. You can only tune based on how big your long term trim cells are. I think there are only 9 in the whole car as compared to being able to tune 100s of them with the WB.
The WB is worth your time if you plan on going to WOT alot.
12-04-2006, 09:16 AM
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haha why a preschool...I sense some animosity towards small children 
When you say trim, what are you referring to, remeber I am a NEWB at tuning
Erik
When you say trim, what are you referring to, remeber I am a NEWB at tuning
Erik
12-04-2006, 09:25 AM
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Wideband is a MUST in order to get a very accurate tune and be consistant. They are musch more accurate than the narrowbands when you get away from stoich. If you plan to tune, buy one.
12-04-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
is it like gauge or what?
I have an LCD readout for mine.
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Many sponsors have them here. Check the lists, im not gonna cheerlead for them since I really havent bought stuff from them. There are a few regulars in this forum that are sponsors and know their tuning stuff though and will help ya out.
12-04-2006, 06:13 PM
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There are a bunch of the wideband O2 meters out
there. Having one in the car all the time, I consider
a waste of its finite sensor life. It's a tuning tool and
if you're not making a lot of continual changes it is
just entertainment. But a lot of people like that kind
of thing. Mine stays in the tuning kit. Should last a
good while that way
There are two types of O2 sensors, an NTK/NGK one
that costs a whole lot, and the Bosch LSU-4 which
is mass-market, VW uses it and the cost is like a
regular O2 sensor. Newer WBO2s use this one at
some cost in accuracy / life, and fussier electronic
control, but saving $300 is a good thing.
Read widely before you buy. Some cheaper units
seem to have accuracy issues or interact badly
with the vehicle electrical environment, ground
offsets, short sensor life, lack of recalibration
facility in the electronics etc. Some are meant
to be like a tool, some are meant to be a pretty
and sort of useful dashboard accessory.
You have to take some care with the data you get
and realize it can be corrupted by things like the
sensor placement (tailpipe must always be given
some doubt), engine config (intake-exhaust
shoot-through puts excess O2 and reads lean),
sensor aging and electrical signal errors dog the
tuner. Tuning to bogus data can be worse than
leaving it be.
A WBO2 is a good thing to borrow and a spendy
thing to own.
there. Having one in the car all the time, I consider
a waste of its finite sensor life. It's a tuning tool and
if you're not making a lot of continual changes it is
just entertainment. But a lot of people like that kind
of thing. Mine stays in the tuning kit. Should last a
good while that way
There are two types of O2 sensors, an NTK/NGK one
that costs a whole lot, and the Bosch LSU-4 which
is mass-market, VW uses it and the cost is like a
regular O2 sensor. Newer WBO2s use this one at
some cost in accuracy / life, and fussier electronic
control, but saving $300 is a good thing.
Read widely before you buy. Some cheaper units
seem to have accuracy issues or interact badly
with the vehicle electrical environment, ground
offsets, short sensor life, lack of recalibration
facility in the electronics etc. Some are meant
to be like a tool, some are meant to be a pretty
and sort of useful dashboard accessory.
You have to take some care with the data you get
and realize it can be corrupted by things like the
sensor placement (tailpipe must always be given
some doubt), engine config (intake-exhaust
shoot-through puts excess O2 and reads lean),
sensor aging and electrical signal errors dog the
tuner. Tuning to bogus data can be worse than
leaving it be.
A WBO2 is a good thing to borrow and a spendy
thing to own.
12-04-2006, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 2002/Black/SS
eric y dont u just ask me these questions? il give u a faster answer then LS1tech, if thast even possible, but i would make fun of u for not knowing anything and being a noob. also i have a wideband, an AEM uego
i dunno man I dont want to bother you with all of the non sense stuff like what is a wideband hahah
i will seek the knowledge you possess in the future
e
12-06-2006, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by erikthegoalie
my buddy asked me about one the other day and I look like this
btw go with what 02blackss said, the UEGO is a badass unit and has 5v output for datalogging and dyno tuning, its what I run and its a nice little unit. I'll show it to you at the track on saturday
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