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Old 10-18-2016, 07:15 AM
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Hello I was wondering if anyone here could help me. Im new to the LS world so please excuse me if my questions may seem a little grade school. There's a guy in my town that's selling a LY6 for pretty cheap but it doesn't come with a harness. If I were to purchase this without the harness, how hard would it be to find one? I was under the impression that the ECU and PCM had to match the the motor so is it a waste of time trying to deal with this guy? And my last question is, do I need the gas pedal? I see some motors sold with them and some without. Btw the motor is or of a 2008 Silverado HD 2500
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Originally Posted by 71cutlass442
Hello I was wondering if anyone here could help me. Im new to the LS world so please excuse me if my questions may seem a little grade school. There's a guy in my town that's selling a LY6 for pretty cheap but it doesn't come with a harness. If I were to purchase this without the harness, how hard would it be to find one? I was under the impression that the ECU and PCM had to match the the motor so is it a waste of time trying to deal with this guy? And my last question is, do I need the gas pedal? I see some motors sold with them and some without. Btw the motor is or of a 2008 Silverado HD 2500

Depends on what type of chassis/roller or OEM application you're putting the LY6 engine into....

1. Define the project (Goal of the Car).

2. How much is the (Budget)?

3. What are your wiring abilities or how many friends locally do you have with wiring schematics experience that will do it for you?


At some point all these things will come into play and will be critical to how you proceed with the harness. If you can score the LY6 at a decent price, take the money saved and invest in a custom harness for your goals.


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Pretty much any Gen 4 harness will work.
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Eddie,

1. The motor will be going into my 71 cutlass. I plan to make it a daily driver with somewhere around 400-500 rwhp N/A.
2. My budget is on a budget so I'd like to save money anywhere possible.
3. The guy that's doing the swap for me is the one who will be do the wiring as well but if not I'm sure there's somewhere I can take it to be done.

My biggest concern is not having the harness to go with it. I don't think I really need a custom harness if I don't plan on running boost, right?
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Pretty much any Gen 4 harness will work.

When end you say any Gen 4 harness will work are you talking about just the wires or the ECU and PCM as well? And do I need the pedal?
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All gen 4 engines are drive-by-wire, so you'll need a pedal.

Almost all gen 4 harnesses will technically work.
As far as ECU, if you plan on having it tuned, then it doesn't matter much which one you pick.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
All gen 4 engines are drive-by-wire, so you'll need a pedal.

Almost all gen 4 harnesses will technically work.
As far as ECU, if you plan on having it tuned, then it doesn't matter much which one you pick.
Thanks for your input.
I think im more interested in the drive by cable set-up just to make things more simple. Now as far as this ECU, any Gen 4 ECU will work, correct?
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i have a complete 08 ly6 harness pedal intake and throttle body all came frkm the same vehicle also the e38pcm and tcm all together
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Originally Posted by 71cutlass442
Eddie,

1. The motor will be going into my 71 cutlass. I plan to make it a daily driver with somewhere around 400-500 rwhp N/A.
2. My budget is on a budget so I'd like to save money anywhere possible.
3. The guy that's doing the swap for me is the one who will be do the wiring as well but if not I'm sure there's somewhere I can take it to be done.

My biggest concern is not having the harness to go with it. I don't think I really need a custom harness if I don't plan on running boost, right?

Nice choice! A 71 Cutlass with 400RWHP will be an amazingly fun car to drive daily.

You don't need a custom harness, for that goal... see the guy response Above he has everything you need it seems.




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Originally Posted by Dimeomboost
i have a complete 08 ly6 harness pedal intake and throttle body all came frkm the same vehicle also the e38pcm and tcm all together
How much are you asking for it?

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Originally Posted by 71cutlass442
Thanks for your input.
I think im more interested in the drive by cable set-up just to make things more simple. Now as far as this ECU, any Gen 4 ECU will work, correct?
You can do drive by cable, but the Gen 4 ECUs won't be able to operate and idle air controller, so you'll have to do without.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
You can do drive by cable, but the Gen 4 ECUs won't be able to operate and idle air controller, so you'll have to do without.

Well damn...Not sure if I want to do without. If you don't mind me asking, what are the pros & cons of doing without it?
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Idle quality. It won't be able to self-adjust for high or low idle. You'll have to adjust the throttle blade or drill a larger hole depending on cam.

At that point, if you're not using an electronic trans I would go microsquirt.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
You can do drive by cable, but the Gen 4 ECUs won't be able to operate and idle air controller, so you'll have to do without.
I'm certain the LY6 engine is VVT and will need more than that
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Originally Posted by EddieGoesFast
I'm certain the LY6 engine is VVT and will need more than that
yes it is vvt and its very expensive to delete the vvt to use a gen 3 or 4 harness ask me how i know lol. also to the op p.m. ill make u a hell of a deal
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Originally Posted by Dimeomboost
yes it is vvt and its very expensive to delete the vvt to use a gen 3 or 4 harness ask me how i know lol. also to the op p.m. ill make u a hell of a deal
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Originally Posted by EddieGoesFast
I'm certain the LY6 engine is VVT and will need more than that
From what I've read VVT would be good for my set up since I'm not building a track car. I also read that it wasn't that hard or expensive to delete.... Am I wrong?
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yes it is vvt and its very expensive to delete the vvt to use a gen 3 or 4 harness ask me how i know lol. also to the op p.m. ill make u a hell of a deal
What was so expensive about deleting the VVT?
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Originally Posted by EddieGoesFast
I'm certain the LY6 engine is VVT and will need more than that
Need more than what? A gen 4 harness and ECU is fine. He might have to spend an extra 10 minutes finding a VVT harness at worst.
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Originally Posted by 71cutlass442
What was so expensive about deleting the VVT?
VVT delete kit is $119 from Texas Speed.
https://www.texas-speed.com/p-724-vvt-delete-kit.aspx

You could probably get the parts used here in the classifieds for half that.


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