is a 24mm rear sway bar worth getting?
09-21-2004, 01:54 AM
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I believe that would be a good bit too large in most applications. Most folks tend to stay between 19 and 21mm depending on how the car is used {AutoX or RoadRace} and what their driving style is like.
It could possibly help at the strip when launching by keeping the body level from side to side. In the curves it could easily hurt traction by giving alot of oversteer.
It could possibly help at the strip when launching by keeping the body level from side to side. In the curves it could easily hurt traction by giving alot of oversteer.
09-21-2004, 07:45 AM
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Well, I just ordered a 25mm rear bar last night, and should have it by Thursday. That'll give me 35mm in the front with a 400# linear spring rate, and a 25mm in the rear with a 125# linear spring. If I don't like it, I'll change it, plain and simple. They aren't too expensive, so I figured what the hell. My rear end feels very sloppy with the way it is now...
09-21-2004, 04:57 PM
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We shall see, we shall see. That's why I always keep my stock stuff handy...I have a feeling that with my lowered roll center from the BMR upper panhard relocation and already pretty soft rear springs, the 25mm should be a good fit, especially with a 35mm front bar. I'll definitely let you know if it is too much, but it won't be tested on the track. This car is a street car only (with a little drag strip time here and there).
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10-17-2004, 03:42 PM
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well the TQ arm and rear sway went in this weekand.......very pleased!!!!
all i did was drive it home after the install , but ill do some more driving next weekand!
but to be in better detail from what i felt from the 5 min drive home was that i can now launch the car with a little more throttle than before. there is still wheel spin but without the shaking and wheel hoop before.... the wheel spin is very smooth and does not shack the car and does not hoop! and with DR im sure it will takeoff much better!
i only took 1 hard corner with the sway and the rear does slide out easier now...
but it is very controlable and feals solid.... after looking at the old bushings and that old wimppy TQ arm its easy to see how the new one has more control of the axle than the old stamped peice.....
all i did was drive it home after the install , but ill do some more driving next weekand!
but to be in better detail from what i felt from the 5 min drive home was that i can now launch the car with a little more throttle than before. there is still wheel spin but without the shaking and wheel hoop before.... the wheel spin is very smooth and does not shack the car and does not hoop! and with DR im sure it will takeoff much better!
i only took 1 hard corner with the sway and the rear does slide out easier now...
but it is very controlable and feals solid.... after looking at the old bushings and that old wimppy TQ arm its easy to see how the new one has more control of the axle than the old stamped peice.....
10-17-2004, 07:49 PM
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M6HuggerSS, hows turning with this big rear sway bar? it is good? does the car fish tail or skid when you turn hard , does this bar cause alot of skidding when turning?
10-18-2004, 08:35 PM
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ive only got about 10 min behind the wheel with it one right now... but under normal throttle it feals nice .... i only took 1 hard corner but stabbed the throttle to drift a little and the rear came out pretty easy, ill drive it a little more this weekand and see how it does..... overall im happy! nice parts, good mods!
10-29-2004, 08:02 PM
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i dont think any one suspension mod really changes the car dramaticly.... but all my mods so far have all helped make the car more solid and stable! i like the rear sway and will probly get the front one now!
10-29-2004, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
I have a feeling that with my lowered roll center from the BMR upper panhard relocation and already pretty soft rear springs, the 25mm should be a good fit, especially with a 35mm front bar.
I currently have that bar. I like it on the street, but it is a bit much for autocross use (actually, it is way too much for autocross use and borders on extreme overkill). The rear of the car does not "skid all over the road", just be careful in the rain.
Have fun!
10-29-2004, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by M6HuggerSS
i dont think any one suspension mod really changes the car dramaticly.... but all my mods so far have all helped make the car more solid and stable! i like the rear sway and will probly get the front one now!
And, actually, shocks change the car "dramatically". If nothing else does, shocks do.
10-29-2004, 11:32 PM
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An alignment has a significant affect on handling ...
Ok....that too. Shocks and an alignment may be the most impressive gains (for just two items) that you can do. You can make a huge improvement in handling with just those two changes.
10-30-2004, 07:45 AM
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Yeah, and just having changed both of those on my Camaro, it's really surprising just how badly these cars were tuned (suspension-wise) from the factory. My old 1990 RS Camaro cornered better than the '99 did....and my '83 Z28 felt like a Formula 1 car in comparison. Well, almost.... 
Until now!
Until now!
10-30-2004, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
The BMR upper PHB relocation kit does not lower your roll center. You must lower the lower phb to do that. That is just a brace and has as much effect on the rear roll center as a STB has on the front roll center.
I currently have that bar. I like it on the street, but it is a bit much for autocross use (actually, it is way too much for autocross use and borders on extreme overkill). The rear of the car does not "skid all over the road", just be careful in the rain.
Have fun!
I currently have that bar. I like it on the street, but it is a bit much for autocross use (actually, it is way too much for autocross use and borders on extreme overkill). The rear of the car does not "skid all over the road", just be careful in the rain.
Have fun!
Oh, and I really like my 25mm bar on the street, and especially at the drag strip. It has worked wonders to tighten up the rear, but after looking at my tires, you can tell I'm getting a fair amout of oversteer.
10-30-2004, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Actually, it does lower the lower PHR, but only on the passenger side. Does it have to lower the driver's side as well to have an impact? I've never been good with suspension geometry...
Oh, and I really like my 25mm bar on the street, and especially at the drag strip. It has worked wonders to tighten up the rear, but after looking at my tires, you can tell I'm getting a fair amout of oversteer.
Oh, and I really like my 25mm bar on the street, and especially at the drag strip. It has worked wonders to tighten up the rear, but after looking at my tires, you can tell I'm getting a fair amout of oversteer.
Ah, I didn't realize that it actually lowered the mount. Actually, now that I think about it, I remember thinking that the mount they used looks way too flimsy for that amount of load and that it does lower it slightly.
Yes, it will lower the roll center slightly. However, the PHB should be level and lowered the same amount on both sides to do it properly. So, yes, it has an effect, I'm just not sure it is a good effect (not properly done?).
I stand corrected.
10-31-2004, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by trackbird
Ah, I didn't realize that it actually lowered the mount. Actually, now that I think about it, I remember thinking that the mount they used looks way too flimsy for that amount of load and that it does lower it slightly.
Yes, it will lower the roll center slightly. However, the PHB should be level and lowered the same amount on both sides to do it properly. So, yes, it has an effect, I'm just not sure it is a good effect (not properly done?).
I stand corrected.
Yes, it will lower the roll center slightly. However, the PHB should be level and lowered the same amount on both sides to do it properly. So, yes, it has an effect, I'm just not sure it is a good effect (not properly done?).
I stand corrected.
