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Old 01-05-2003, 08:33 PM
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My 2002 SS LE now has 13000 miles on it and my rotors have been turned twice already. The last time was about 1 month ago and they are vibrating again already.

I have seen a lot of posts about Baer-Eradispeed rotors and a certain kind of pads that do not make a lot of brake dust.

First can someone tell me if these are any good and second where I could buy them resonable. I do not need a shop to install them, my EX is a mechanic and will do them for me. I just need the parts.

Oh! while I am picking y'alls brains. Which lowering kit is best for approximatly a 2 inch drop all around or even a little lower in the rear to even out the stance????

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Tracy, Eradispeed rotors are great, but you might want to check into KVR drilled/slotted rotors also. One of the sponcers recently had a special on them. I got a complete set of drilled/ cadmium coated rotors for 420.00. They have been awesome thus far.
Old 01-07-2003, 07:15 PM
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Do any of y'all know which of the sponsors sells these items?

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Tracy, get in touch with Fast Toy's. I don't know if the special is still on but Phillip is great to deal with. You'll love them. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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I am not so concerned with the special. I just need to figure out which brand to go with. It drives me crazy driving my car like it is now. I really need to change the oem rotors.

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Tracey....I am running a set of Brembo "OEM replacement rotors" from www.tirerack.com and a set of carbotech panther plus pads....the rotors are great and warp free for $61 each....the pads however, eat rotors alive and make "MUCH" dust. I'd try the brembo rotors and a set of EBC greenstuff pads if I were you (and just looking for rotors that dont warp and decent or even better brakes). Just my thoughts...good luck....
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Try posting this in the handling/braking section.
I'm sure you'll get a much better response there.

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Hi Tracey Ihave the eradispeeds an i love them.
went with the GM pads no dust,no squeek,no vibration. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Autozone replacements at $38 each hold up remarkably well on a road course.

GM OEM pads are great performers and don't dust very much at all. They are also very easy on rotors.
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If you want to get the eradispeeds, got to mti and get them, theyre right here in houston. The good thing is you can get them right away and dont have to pay shipping, the bad thing is you can go to get em so your gona have to pay tax on em. BTW MTI is a sponsor---->
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Today I installed my Autozone rotors not the $38 one's but the $93 Extreme rotors which are cross drilled and slotted <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ...feels weird not having the vibration anymore..Part#55034LX/55034RX
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Tracey, Bear has one of the best set of rotors PERIOD and there is not alot that can compare to them, These rotors have a lifetime warranty against warping which causes viberation when driving your car...They are a bit pricey but well worth it at the end, I have a set on my car and would agree that its well worth the money spent and easy install as well!!!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
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When I read the eradispeed warranty, it seemed to say "Send your rotors back to baer and we will see if they are warped...we'll let you know if they are and if we feel that they are warped, then we'll fix it." But, it mentioned that you can't check warped rotors by measuring "runout" with a dial indicator (like a service manual might mention to use) and that it is from a change in the structure of the cast iron from heating and cooling issues and that only baer can tell if you have warped rotors"...I read that on their website (before they took off their online catalog)...and just mention it because it struck me as quite funny at the time (funny...or rather odd). If anyone has the warranty info on the eradispeeds that they bought, could you recheck this for me? With that said, in all fairness, I had the 13" Baer brake package on my 1989 Formula and they really do make some of the best stuff around (I don't want anyone to think I'm out to get them...I just found it odd that I'm not smart enough to know if eradispeeds are warped or not....I figured it out on all my other brakes.....). Somebody recheck this and let me know.....(I just rechecked their website and there is not warranty info there any longer....). Just something that concerned me....good luck.
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If your concerned about this matter, the best thing to do is give them a call, as I did...They are very professional and will tell you everything about them..They told me if you have problem's with them just send them in...
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I have another (maybe stupid) question. I was told also that the warpage (if that is a word) is caused by the rotors heating up water or such cooling them very quickly. Unfortunately here in Texas the sun is shining and it is 90 degress out, then 2 miles away its raining.

With this in mind will all brands of rotors warp?

I don't mind spending more now, but I do have a problem with spending $200.00 now and again in 6 months and so on and so on.

Thanks for all the info.
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What is covered by this warranty:

Baer warrants the rotors sold as part of any EradiSpeedTM product not to warp for the life of the product. Any rotor that we confirm is warped will be replaced by us at no charge to you. This warranty is limited to providing a replacement rotor and does not include labor to remove or replace the product. Normal as well as other forms of wear is not covered by this warranty.

To make a warranty claim:

Return the rotor in question to Baer freight prepaid. Upon confirmation by us that the rotor is warped, we will promptly replace it free of charge. Please call Baer for RMA number BEFORE returning rotors at (602) 233-1411.

What does Baer define as "warped?"

Warped rotors are caused when the iron rotor witnesses a radical change in temperature. In such cases, the iron suffers a "thermal shock" and the material "grows" or expands at a dissimilar rate. This changes the parallelism of the two outer surfaces; effectively making the rotor wider and then thinner at the areas the pads make contact.

Typically this condition manifests itself with a "pulsation", a "shake" or a "shudder" while braking. Such a "shake" only occurs while braking and then become progressively worse the harder the brakes are applied. If a "shake" actually becomes less pronounced when the brakes are applied harder, this is a clear indication that warped rotors are not the cause.

When an iron rotor is heated to extreme temperatures, a phase transformation in the crystalline structure of the rotor material could occur. Under certain conditions this can occur unevenly in the material and thus causes wider and thinner areas on the rotor. This is why even when a rotor is surfaced or cut to eliminate a warping problem, it is common for the problem to go away until the temperature is again elevated, after which the phase transformation could again occur and the "shake" or "pulse" returns. The iron composition used and the design of the EradiSpeedTM rotor reduces the possibility of phase transformation of the material.

Warping cannot be measured as "run out" at the tip of the rotor. Measurable run out is typical of production rotors. Further run out measured on a vehicle and not in a controlled environment is caused by a number of factors such as the condition of the hub and the cleanliness of same at the surface the rotor contacts. To be able to measure a "warp" condition, the variance in the thickness on the parallel surfaces of the rotor's inner and outer face must be measured and properly compared. This can only effectively be measured on a known flat surface; we employ a precision ground granite table with precision instruments.

What is not covered:

There is no warranty for normal wear, run out, cracks, or for plated surfaces.

Baer will not be liable for any incidental or consequential damages and your exclusive remedy shall be replacement of the part not meeting this limited warranty. All other warranties express or implied, including warranties of fitness for a particular purpose and merchantability are specifically excluded.

Federal and/or state laws may provide you with other warranties for this product. Some states do not allow the exclusion or limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above limitations or exclusions may not apply to you.
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Thanks BAD,

That is what I remembered reading. I'm sure that they will take good care of their customers.....It just gave me the feeling that "we'll tell you if they are warped"....but maybe I'm just paranoid. Thanks for posting that one.....

Kevin

PS Tracey, that should answer your question about rain and brakes....I have usually only had trouble when I park the car with the brakes really hot, the caliper and pads keep part of the rotor warmer than the rest and you can sometimes have trouble....I've never had a problem with water myself.....

Good luck....



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