10 sec full weight a4 cars.What kind of setup will it take to hit 10s
07-26-2009, 12:16 AM
#41
this is interesting, my goals are in this order:
1: full bolt on 12 second car
2: cam only 11 second car
3: head cam low 11 high 10 car
4: Stroked motor, reuse heads, custom cam mid to low 10's
some nitrous can be added at any stage but i would like to have a real fast N/A car. I love the idea of nitrous but i think you get more respect from doing it N/A.
1: full bolt on 12 second car
2: cam only 11 second car
3: head cam low 11 high 10 car
4: Stroked motor, reuse heads, custom cam mid to low 10's
some nitrous can be added at any stage but i would like to have a real fast N/A car. I love the idea of nitrous but i think you get more respect from doing it N/A.
why would you reuse the heads you used on a 346 build with a stroker build such as a 408 or something?
just curious..
07-26-2009, 10:22 AM
#42
this is interesting, my goals are in this order:
1: full bolt on 12 second car
2: cam only 11 second car
3: head cam low 11 high 10 car
4: Stroked motor, reuse heads, custom cam mid to low 10's
some nitrous can be added at any stage but i would like to have a real fast N/A car. I love the idea of nitrous but i think you get more respect from doing it N/A.
1: full bolt on 12 second car
2: cam only 11 second car
3: head cam low 11 high 10 car
4: Stroked motor, reuse heads, custom cam mid to low 10's
some nitrous can be added at any stage but i would like to have a real fast N/A car. I love the idea of nitrous but i think you get more respect from doing it N/A.
1: Very doable. Get a converter, tune, and a set of drag radials - you'll be there.
2: Again, very doable. My friend's 01' went 12.00 with full bolt ons in great DA. Then 11.67 with just a mild MTI Stealth II camshaft, again in great weather. It was a consistent 11.80 car in most weather, and 12.30's were the norm prior to the cam swap.
3: Not unreasonable at all with the right parts.
4: If it didn't at least run mid 10's, I would push it off of a cliff.
07-27-2009, 04:54 PM
#43
i would reuse the heads because if i had trickflow 215's for the head cam I would hope that they would feed a 408 too. I would be super disappointed considering some people run 383 with cnc'd 243's. I didnt mean the stock 241 heads, i meant either aftermarket heads of cnc'd GM heads, maybe LS3 or L92.
07-27-2009, 04:56 PM
#44
1: Very doable. Get a converter, tune, and a set of drag radials - you'll be there.
2: Again, very doable. My friend's 01' went 12.00 with full bolt ons in great DA. Then 11.67 with just a mild MTI Stealth II camshaft, again in great weather. It was a consistent 11.80 car in most weather, and 12.30's were the norm prior to the cam swap.
3: Not unreasonable at all with the right parts.
4: If it didn't at least run mid 10's, I would push it off of a cliff.
2: Again, very doable. My friend's 01' went 12.00 with full bolt ons in great DA. Then 11.67 with just a mild MTI Stealth II camshaft, again in great weather. It was a consistent 11.80 car in most weather, and 12.30's were the norm prior to the cam swap.
3: Not unreasonable at all with the right parts.
4: If it didn't at least run mid 10's, I would push it off of a cliff.
07-27-2009, 07:07 PM
#46
I bought most of my parts 3-4 years ago. If I were to do it again, I would most likely get TFS 215's and a FAST 92mm, RevX 95mm TB, etc. My current converter is a carry over from the bolt on/N20 days. It works better than I ever could have imagined. But, I think there is a better converter out there for me. I should be 60'ing about .05 better IMO. If everythng comes together this winter - I expect to go 10.50's w/o making any extra power or yanking any weight out of it. The cooler air and a harder launch should be enough. Then it's "done." I doubt I'll ever do it, but I was told that if my car hooked - it would go upper 9's on a 100 wet kit w/o a problem. Evidently the cam was ground to really wake up on the bottle.
07-27-2009, 07:27 PM
#47
Pretty simple set up... Mamo-ported FAST 90, NW 90mm TB, AFR 205's - 59cc, custom ground Crane camshaft, Kooks 1.75-1.875 step headers, 3" TSP duals, SY3500 stall, 3.73 gears. It has all the other BS too... lid, 160* stat, EWP, UD pulley. I do have a forged shortblock with higher than stock compression. Other than that, no tricks.
I bought most of my parts 3-4 years ago. If I were to do it again, I would most likely get TFS 215's and a FAST 92mm, RevX 95mm TB, etc. My current converter is a carry over from the bolt on/N20 days. It works better than I ever could have imagined. But, I think there is a better converter out there for me. I should be 60'ing about .05 better IMO. If everythng comes together this winter - I expect to go 10.50's w/o making any extra power or yanking any weight out of it. The cooler air and a harder launch should be enough. Then it's "done." I doubt I'll ever do it, but I was told that if my car hooked - it would go upper 9's on a 100 wet kit w/o a problem. Evidently the cam was ground to really wake up on the bottle.
I bought most of my parts 3-4 years ago. If I were to do it again, I would most likely get TFS 215's and a FAST 92mm, RevX 95mm TB, etc. My current converter is a carry over from the bolt on/N20 days. It works better than I ever could have imagined. But, I think there is a better converter out there for me. I should be 60'ing about .05 better IMO. If everythng comes together this winter - I expect to go 10.50's w/o making any extra power or yanking any weight out of it. The cooler air and a harder launch should be enough. Then it's "done." I doubt I'll ever do it, but I was told that if my car hooked - it would go upper 9's on a 100 wet kit w/o a problem. Evidently the cam was ground to really wake up on the bottle.
07-28-2009, 06:57 AM
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Im lookin to start another build.. I sold my m6 car in my sig.. The next car i want to build i want to make it into the 10s on a stock bottom end.. when i say stock i mean stock displacement.. the only thing i want to do to the bottom end is rod bolts. i know this is gonna cost a fortune to hit this mark.. but i just wanna be able to say ive hit 10s on a stock CI 346 with just heads cam and intake. and other bolt ons in a full weight A4 car with a lot of suspension mods. .... so what kind of setup will it take to hit this mark.. i know its been done before.. so guys post up..
2002 Z28 Camaro A4 with Trickflow 215cc heads milled to 62cc, Harland sharp shaft roller rockers 1.7 ratio, 23X/23X-64X/61X-114LSA cam, FMS chrome-moly hardened 5/16" push rods 7.500", ARP hex head bolts, FMS ported oil pump, LS6-2 timing chain, 30lb SVO injectors, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Lid, K&N drop in, Hooker longtubes, custom true duals with Magna pack mufflers, PTC 4400 Stall converter, built 4L60E, Strange 12bolt with 4.11 gears, Billet Specialties light weight rims 15X10 in the rear and 15X3.5 in the front, 28" tall Hoosiers in the rear, ported fast 90mm, NW TB, Custom Racetronix / Walbro 255 pump and dyno tuned by Allan Futral.
07-28-2009, 11:14 AM
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There's always my setup..
2002 Z28 Camaro A4 with Trickflow 215cc heads milled to 62cc, Harland sharp shaft roller rockers 1.7 ratio, 23X/23X-64X/61X-114LSA cam, FMS chrome-moly hardened 5/16" push rods 7.500", ARP hex head bolts, FMS ported oil pump, LS6-2 timing chain, 30lb SVO injectors, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Lid, K&N drop in, Hooker longtubes, custom true duals with Magna pack mufflers, PTC 4400 Stall converter, built 4L60E, Strange 12bolt with 4.11 gears, Billet Specialties light weight rims 15X10 in the rear and 15X3.5 in the front, 28" tall Hoosiers in the rear, ported fast 90mm, NW TB, Custom Racetronix / Walbro 255 pump and dyno tuned by Allan Futral.
2002 Z28 Camaro A4 with Trickflow 215cc heads milled to 62cc, Harland sharp shaft roller rockers 1.7 ratio, 23X/23X-64X/61X-114LSA cam, FMS chrome-moly hardened 5/16" push rods 7.500", ARP hex head bolts, FMS ported oil pump, LS6-2 timing chain, 30lb SVO injectors, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Lid, K&N drop in, Hooker longtubes, custom true duals with Magna pack mufflers, PTC 4400 Stall converter, built 4L60E, Strange 12bolt with 4.11 gears, Billet Specialties light weight rims 15X10 in the rear and 15X3.5 in the front, 28" tall Hoosiers in the rear, ported fast 90mm, NW TB, Custom Racetronix / Walbro 255 pump and dyno tuned by Allan Futral.
07-28-2009, 12:41 PM
#56
You guys make it sound like a mid 10 second full weight all motor f body is like ordering up a pizza...it aint.
Look at all the guys with 408's running in the 11's.
The CAR has to be working to get in the tens. You can have 700 at the wheels and run low 12's. See your typical Supra.
Look at all the guys with 408's running in the 11's.
The CAR has to be working to get in the tens. You can have 700 at the wheels and run low 12's. See your typical Supra.
07-28-2009, 01:40 PM
#57
I believe it's matched parts, my TQ curve looks like a dinner table. A set of heads are merely part of the equation. As for my sig quote, yup I took that quote from a thread here on this web site a few years back. I never have changed it because it cracks me up - and is true at the same time.
07-28-2009, 06:31 PM
#58
There's always my setup..
2002 Z28 Camaro A4 with Trickflow 215cc heads milled to 62cc, Harland sharp shaft roller rockers 1.7 ratio, 23X/23X-64X/61X-114LSA cam, FMS chrome-moly hardened 5/16" push rods 7.500", ARP hex head bolts, FMS ported oil pump, LS6-2 timing chain, 30lb SVO injectors, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Lid, K&N drop in, Hooker longtubes, custom true duals with Magna pack mufflers, PTC 4400 Stall converter, built 4L60E, Strange 12bolt with 4.11 gears, Billet Specialties light weight rims 15X10 in the rear and 15X3.5 in the front, 28" tall Hoosiers in the rear, ported fast 90mm, NW TB, Custom Racetronix / Walbro 255 pump and dyno tuned by Allan Futral.
2002 Z28 Camaro A4 with Trickflow 215cc heads milled to 62cc, Harland sharp shaft roller rockers 1.7 ratio, 23X/23X-64X/61X-114LSA cam, FMS chrome-moly hardened 5/16" push rods 7.500", ARP hex head bolts, FMS ported oil pump, LS6-2 timing chain, 30lb SVO injectors, SLP 85mm MAF, SLP Lid, K&N drop in, Hooker longtubes, custom true duals with Magna pack mufflers, PTC 4400 Stall converter, built 4L60E, Strange 12bolt with 4.11 gears, Billet Specialties light weight rims 15X10 in the rear and 15X3.5 in the front, 28" tall Hoosiers in the rear, ported fast 90mm, NW TB, Custom Racetronix / Walbro 255 pump and dyno tuned by Allan Futral.
You guys make it sound like a mid 10 second full weight all motor f body is like ordering up a pizza...it aint.
Look at all the guys with 408's running in the 11's.
The CAR has to be working to get in the tens. You can have 700 at the wheels and run low 12's. See your typical Supra.
Look at all the guys with 408's running in the 11's.
The CAR has to be working to get in the tens. You can have 700 at the wheels and run low 12's. See your typical Supra.
its not easy at all, but very attainable no doubt..
guys with 408s running in the 12s...... well, ya know..
i already have full suspension and a built trans.. i need a little more power and a rear...
i think the CAR is put together enough to get 10s, just not the motor yet..
I believe it's matched parts, my TQ curve looks like a dinner table. A set of heads are merely part of the equation. As for my sig quote, yup I took that quote from a thread here on this web site a few years back. I never have changed it because it cracks me up - and is true at the same time.
07-29-2009, 10:11 AM
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Seeing as I went 10.90 weighing 3700lbs with 450rwhp.....I got test data to back it up.
10.58 weighing 3585 in better air, no motor changes at all.
DOnt matter how much power you got if you dont know how to use it.
I have seen cars go LOW 10's with 420 to the wheels weighing 3500lbs. Ever seen a super stocker?
10.58 weighing 3585 in better air, no motor changes at all.
DOnt matter how much power you got if you dont know how to use it.
I have seen cars go LOW 10's with 420 to the wheels weighing 3500lbs. Ever seen a super stocker?
The problem with a blanket statement that 450 hp will net you 10's is that you assume everything on the car is perfectly matched. I've seen plenty of 500+ HP cars barely break into the 11's, let alone a 10 because they still run a 2.73 gear or some other mismatched part.
07-29-2009, 11:37 AM
#60
Mine is 3520 with me in it on the scales, dynoed 399 RWHP on the dyno and runs 11.6's at ~118MPH with a best trap of 121.
The problem with a blanket statement that 450 hp will net you 10's is that you assume everything on the car is perfectly matched. I've seen plenty of 500+ HP cars barely break into the 11's, let alone a 10 because they still run a 2.73 gear or some other mismatched part.
The problem with a blanket statement that 450 hp will net you 10's is that you assume everything on the car is perfectly matched. I've seen plenty of 500+ HP cars barely break into the 11's, let alone a 10 because they still run a 2.73 gear or some other mismatched part.
Reading comprehension really IS a wonderful thing....you must have missed this part of my post, see below.
******The CAR has to be working to get in the tens.*****
A minimum of 450 rwhp will get you in the 10's with a low 1.50 60ft in a 3700 lb car. In a decent DA of course. MIne did.