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Old 11-26-2014, 11:11 AM
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What yall are failing to see is that your logic about the lasers for the 60' times. The turbo 5.bro wasn't messed up and yet some how hios was? I can see this happening if they where on different systems but i highly doubt they are. Also the track officials said they aint messed up and the 5.bro said he had to run him down. So how is it again his 10.7 run not possible?
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver

Cam timing change is adjusting something that touches oil.....period. It is a internal modification
If anyone is keeping a journal of the dumbest **** ever posted on this site, please include this. I honestly stopped reading this thread when I got to the above statement.

Hammer, your boy isn't high up there on the list of people who understand how engines work. I've come to the conclusion that he doesn't **** with heads/cam/rotating assembly because his dumbass really doesn't know what he's doing.

Now let's sit and wait, class, while he brings up my car, and tells me how he used to wipe the rubber off of BMW auto-x cars' fenders back in the day, so that means he's a guru
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Old 11-26-2014, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I've seen cars pick up the front wheels with a 1.7 60 irun14....so your point is what?

the vid of the 10.9 run. It did not get into the power as quickly on this run.

ls6 camaro 10.9 track pass - YouTube
Great times for a bolt-on car OP, but honestly that launch was kind of boo boo. Why not rip that ****** out of the hole? Stock rear? You'd probably see that .7 with a "real" launch.
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Originally Posted by "MAC"
This is the only thing you said that holds water. Thing is hio treed him we agree on that, so again how is his 60' time not believable when he was out in front of him until the 330' mark? Keep in mind the 5.bro was averaging a 1.4 60'... its hard to believe hios 60' time but with the other variables that have been given it seems possible, idk why you cant understand that
Jesus christ Mac... if you are going to argue about something atleast know what you're talking about. The slip reads the 5.0 in the other lane had a quicker reaction time by over .1, it reads the 5.0 went 1.45 to the 60. Hio claims he was out front off the line, even after getting treed by the 5.0, making his magical cars ability to cut 1.2 60's legit. Do you comprehend now Mr engineering student? Now go back and read my theory on what happened.. and read up on how the timing equipment at the track works before you reply again.
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Holy **** I can't believe people think Hio's 1.26 was legit and e85 isn't pump gas. Amazing.
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"Pump gas" has no meaning as a qualification if it can be used to refer to fuels that are not readily, immediately accessible to all. One person's ease of access has exactly zero relevance.

Since my previous example is as yet still evading the comprehension of some, I'll instead just purchase a few barrels of MS109 and set up a simple pump setup in said barrels. I will immediately be using "pump gas."
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I agree with Hio 90% of the time...but that second slip is a timing error.

Anyone who has ever drag raced knows that a 10.7 and a 1.2 60' don't add up. Unless he sprayed a 300 shot right off the line, hooked perfectly like a rail car, then let off at the 1/8th and coasted across the 1/4.

Honest 60' would be around a 1.45-1.5 60' for that run. Whether the lights were inaccurate, timers glitched, a piece of trash blew across the beams (most likely), etc, something messed up the 60'. The 330, 1/8th, and 1/4 don't correlate with a 1.26 60'.

Shouldn't even be anything to argue about, there is no chance at all that its correct.
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Originally Posted by fruitsalad
"Pump gas" has no meaning as a qualification if it can be used to refer to fuels that are not readily, immediately accessible to all. One person's ease of access has exactly zero relevance.

Since my previous example is as yet still evading the comprehension of some, I'll instead just purchase a few barrels of MS109 and set up a simple pump setup in said barrels. I will immediately be using "pump gas."
E85 is marketed and sold like any other fuel we call pump gas. I can go take my dad's escape to the gas station and fill it up with 87, 91, 93 or e85 without making any changes to the car. Do any manufacturers sell flex fuel vehicles that accept ms109? C16? VP Import?
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
E85 is marketed and sold like any other fuel we call pump gas. I can go take my dad's escape to the gas station and fill it up with 87, 91, 93 or e85 without making any changes to the car. Do any manufacturers sell flex fuel vehicles that accept ms109? C16? VP Import?
If I owned a vehicle with OE flex-fuel capability, I would still not be able to run E85 due to its availability constraints.

That notwithstanding, I can fill my car up with MS109 using the OE fuel system without making any modifications or alterations, but cannot do the same with E85.
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Originally Posted by PA94Z

Jesus christ Mac... if you are going to argue about something atleast know what you're talking about. The slip reads the 5.0 in the other lane had a quicker reaction time by over .1, it reads the 5.0 went 1.45 to the 60. Hio claims he was out front off the line, even after getting treed by the 5.0, making his magical cars ability to cut 1.2 60's legit. Do you comprehend now Mr engineering student? Now go back and read my theory on what happened.. and read up on how the timing equipment at the track works before you reply again.
The guy said hio was in front of him...
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Originally Posted by fruitsalad
If I owned a vehicle with OE flex-fuel capability, I would still not be able to run E85 due to its availability constraints.

That notwithstanding, I can fill my car up with MS109 using the OE fuel system without making any modifications or alterations, but cannot do the same with E85.
So because E85 isn't avaliable to you it isn't pump gas? Lol. What about people who can't get 93? Is it not pump gas?
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It really baffles me that people are still defending that 1.2 60'. Seriously, anyone that is a real racer knows that time is as inaccurate as Mac's grammar.
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
So because E85 isn't avaliable to you it isn't pump gas? Lol. What about people who can't get 93? Is it not pump gas?
E85 isn't available to a very large number of people. I can't get 93 either, but most can, and the difference between it and 91 is minuscule enough that it can be considered comparable.

Per your rationalization, those who "can't get" low DA due to geographic constraints are simply significantly and inexplicably slower than all other cars, period, and have no reason to complain or adjust results proportionately.
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The whole E85 argument is dumb everyone has there stipulations as tp what makes pump gas pump gas. Id say to make everything fair the day every single vehicle from the factory can use E85 then it should be pump gas. This doesn't count for diesel or 100% electric cars
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So what is a flex fuel vehicle? A car that comes from the factory with a pump gas and a race gas tune lol? I just am failing to see how a fuel that is sold at thousands of gas stations across the country, and many vehicles are designed to run on from the factory is a race gas.
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Originally Posted by fruitsalad
E85 isn't available to a very large number of people. I can't get 93 either, but most can, and the difference between it and 91 is minuscule enough that it can be considered comparable.

Per your rationalization, those who "can't get" low DA due to geographic constraints are simply significantly and inexplicably slower than all other cars, period, and have no reason to complain or adjust results proportionately.
No those are your rationalizations, my rationalization is that it's marketed and sold as a pump fuel and cars are built to run on it. I don't give a **** where it is or isn't avaliable.
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
So what is a flex fuel vehicle? A car that comes from the factory with a pump gas and a race gas tune lol? I just am failing to see how a fuel that is sold at thousands of gas stations across the country, and many vehicles are designed to run on from the factory is a race gas.
Again, at no point have I used the term "race gas" to define E85. It's simply a better alternative to straight hydrocarbon gasoline, but one that is not nearly as widely available and thus cannot be considered equal to the 87-93 octane blends that any vehicle anywhere can access at any time.

Also, none of the vehicles being modified and raced herein are marketed or sold with true OE "flex fuel" capability.
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
So what is a flex fuel vehicle? A car that comes from the factory with a pump gas and a race gas tune lol? I just am failing to see how a fuel that is sold at thousands of gas stations across the country, and many vehicles are designed to run on from the factory is a race gas.
Race gas is sold at thousands of has station's across America as well.
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
No those are your rationalizations
No, that is the logical extension of your rationalization.


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