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Old 06-11-2013, 03:55 PM
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Was talking to the machine shop that my motor is at and they said they needed to gap my piston rings because they were file fit. They are setting them all to. 018. Is this okay? I see a lot where the top and bottoms are different gaps and I just want to make sure this won't cause problems.

As of right now no spay or anything so would it be okay with that.

Possibly in the future plan on spraying 150+. Would it be okay for that?
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That's fine for the top, but the bottom needs to be opened up to .020" at least, maybe even bigger.

The reason being is that you will have some amount of blowby, no way around it, but you don't want it to get trapped between the rings. You open up the second ring gap larger so that the blowby can get through without unseating the top ring and hurting the ring seal.
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Here are the Wiseco recommendations.

http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Manuals/RingEndGap.pdf
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Originally Posted by Know_It_All
That's fine for the top, but the bottom needs to be opened up to .020" at least, maybe even bigger.

The reason being is that you will have some amount of blowby, no way around it, but you don't want it to get trapped between the rings. You open up the second ring gap larger so that the blowby can get through without unseating the top ring and hurting the ring seal.
Thanks Ill have to bring tat up to them...theyre really starting to irritate me over there.
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HOPE they are dumbing things down assuming you don't understand things. If they are that dumb at best it wont perform even if you correct them on this, at worst you are doing it all over. Quality machining is critical and there are a LOT more mediocre to poor shops out there than good and few people ever know the difference. You wouldn't believe the garbage I have seen "good" local shops put out. Luckily it hasn't ever happened to me because I am cheap and stick with the stock shortblock. Genuinely improving a bottomend cost a lot and gains little compared to the same coin spent on the topend.
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Originally Posted by LS1MCSS
Here are the Wiseco recommendations.

http://www.wiseco.com/PDFs/Manuals/RingEndGap.pdf
Thanks that definitely gives me a good idea. Time to go give my machinist an earful again. By the way Borowskis in Joliet Illinois is not and never will be what it used to be.
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Well I asked them and they put the top at. 019 and the bottom at. 017. Why would they have done that?
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Well I asked them and they put the top at. 019 and the bottom at. 017. Why would they have done that?
They're idiots, that's why.
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Yea, it's hit or miss nowadays on finding a good engine builder.. Too many people out there with no clue..
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Great now I need to find a file fit machine and redo all of them
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What pistons will you be using?
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Originally Posted by boostedrides
What pistons will you be using?
Mahle
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If you bought them new they should come with a chart that says the proper ring gap for the application! It should have variance is listed for nitrous use or not.
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I'm not sure. They came with an eagle stroker kit that the shop ordered for me
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See if you can get the part # for the pistons you ordered and contact mahle too see what they recommend for your application. All metals expand at a different rate so it depends on the material they used too make the pistons.........
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Originally Posted by Know_It_All
They're idiots, that's why.
Not necessarily. I used Total seal rings on JE forgings with a Napier 2nd and the gaps they suggested were out of the ordinary (asked about it twice) and got the same answer. Call the ring manufacture's tech line.
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Originally Posted by 64post
Not necessarily. I used Total seal rings on JE forgings with a Napier 2nd and the gaps they suggested were out of the ordinary (asked about it twice) and got the same answer. Call the ring manufacture's tech line.
Shhhht! can't you read? 'know it all'
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Originally Posted by 64post
Not necessarily. I used Total seal rings on JE forgings with a Napier 2nd and the gaps they suggested were out of the ordinary (asked about it twice) and got the same answer. Call the ring manufacture's tech line.
Define "out of the ordinary".

Total Seal is the only one I know of that suggests their top rings be gapped looser than the top. Personally, I ignore that. GM, Wiseco, Hastings, Childs & Albert, etc etc etc all recommend otherwise.


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Shhhht! can't you read? 'know it all'
If you have a solid explanation to the contrary, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, don' tell the quarterback how to throw a ball if you're just a cheerleader...
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So all in all even if mahle says they recommend something different, will it hurt my motor if I leave it this way?
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Originally Posted by Know_It_All
Define "out of the ordinary".

Total Seal is the only one I know of that suggests their top rings be gapped looser than the top. Personally, I ignore that. GM, Wiseco, Hastings, Childs & Albert, etc etc etc all recommend otherwise.




If you have a solid explanation to the contrary, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise, don' tell the quarterback how to throw a ball if you're just a cheerleader...
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