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Old May 13, 2007 | 12:17 AM
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I just sold my LS6 intake and going to FAST and wanted to go DP..but Im ready to get my car back togeather so I gess Im going back with a plate for now but I cant decide on the one to go with

I never herd of anyone using the cold fusion. and is the nitro daves plate really worth $70 more than the NOS?

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Old May 13, 2007 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ego Killer
is the nitro daves plate really worth $70 more than the NOS?
I think so it throws down a wall of Nitrous (look for the benchflow vid I did).

You should also consider the HSW plate, it should be close to coming out as well.
Old May 13, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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i put daves on my cousins car. looks and works great, and i put one on my new intake for my new setup. and dave is super nice guy and will cover any issues!

so far so good with daves plate.
soo easy, and so clean
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i'm also in the same situation....I was wondering if the NO plate is worth the extra cash
Old May 13, 2007 | 08:49 PM
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has anyone had any luck with the cold fussion plate
Old May 13, 2007 | 09:14 PM
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I didn't Vote because I never tried the other plate kits but I do have Dave's plate and love it. Just like washing your car seems to make your car feel faster the plate seems to hit harder than my dual nozzles kit.
Old May 13, 2007 | 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Beer99C5
I think so it throws down a wall of Nitrous (look for the benchflow vid I did).

You should also consider the HSW plate, it should be close to coming out as well.
its been close comming for like 2 months now so far.
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Originally Posted by 911ss
its been close comming for like 2 months now so far.
You're right
Old May 15, 2007 | 12:21 PM
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the differences between ours design and the NOS designed plate is the # of distribution ports, and ours uses the factory style O-rings instead of paper gaskets.

Ours also has the plate fittings exit from the rear of the plate instead of the drivers side....this gives you flexibility on solenoid placement.

We carry both plates as they are both quality pieces....but we sell many more of ours.
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Originally Posted by Ray@Nitrous Outlet
the differences between ours design and the NOS designed plate is the # of distribution ports, and ours uses the factory style O-rings instead of paper gaskets.

Ours also has the plate fittings exit from the rear of the plate instead of the drivers side....this gives you flexibility on solenoid placement.

We carry both plates as they are both quality pieces....but we sell many more of ours.

I ordered your plate...how much longer are they gonna be before they are off backorder?
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they are in production and should be in approx 1-1 1/2 weeks...will be able to ship w/in 1-2 days of arriving here
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I got daves plate on my truck...I like it a lot. Can't go wrong with it IMO.
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How about the new HSW plate?

Looks like it has more distribution ports then either the Nitrous Outlet Plate or NOS Plate.

It maybe too new to be a proven piece but some opinions on this piece would be interesting.
Old Jun 26, 2007 | 06:56 AM
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I like Dave's because of the Factory O-Ring style seal as opposed to the paper Gasket that comes with the other brands. I went with the dual stage plate so that was an additional deciding factor...

I've called Dave's a couple times and Ray and Chris have been outstanding!

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Originally Posted by Ego Killer
I just sold my LS6 intake and going to FAST and wanted to go DP..but Im ready to get my car back togeather so I gess Im going back with a plate for now but I cant decide on the one to go with

I never herd of anyone using the cold fusion. and is the nitro daves plate really worth $70 more than the NOS?
I have seen both plates and yes it is worth it.

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Old Jun 26, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LS2PWR
How about the new HSW plate?

Looks like it has more distribution ports then either the Nitrous Outlet Plate or NOS Plate.

It maybe too new to be a proven piece but some opinions on this piece would be interesting.
Since we are the company that put all the hard work and design time into creating a LS1 perimeter style plate with Oring gasket seal that some are building knock offs around ill share my point of view.

We actually designed a 360 degree discharge during the design and R&D process of building our plates. There was absulutley no bennifit to adding anymore discharge ports than our plates currently offer. However it does add a ohh factor in the fact it creates a cool looking circular pattern. But who really is going to see that with it on the car.

The down fall we seen was in order to offer the 360 degree pattern we would have to use a two piece design. The two piece design have a tendency to leak over time.

So instead we decided to build the plate with 6 fuel and 6 nitrous discharges to break it up the best way possible. We decided to make the plate one piece billit to illiminate any potential problems. Our plate can flow over 400 hp!!! We also offer them in a dual stage design!!!! Looks sexy and fits great!!!!

You Can not Beat it.. Our design is perfect!!!
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Maybe you guys should get an engineer Dave. I’d be more than happy to look over any test data you guys are willing to share that would indicate a perimeter style distribution is “just for looks”. Maybe I can get a clear cut definition as to what exactly a “perimeter style distribution” plate is too. My interpretation of perimeter is the outer limits of an area. Examine this further…in a circular object, the perimeter would be the circumference. In order to maintain a perimeter style distribution all exit points would have to follow around the entire circumference. If a discharge does not complete the circumference wouldn’t that just be an area distribution? To my knowledge, using the correct definition of perimeter, the HSW is the ONLY perimeter spray pattern.

Since its obvious who’s plate you’re talking about I’d like to share a few points as well. Our plate was developed with distribution in mind. Single point discharge plates do in fact distribute in a very similar fashion to contemporary nozzles. I’m sure we can all agree on the downfalls to nozzle distribution, no? So my question is, if you have a plate that distributes similarly to a nozzle and you push that nozzle closer and closer to the intake runners, what happens? Does it not in-fact turn the problem into a exponential growth? Hmm, I certainly think so.

The plate was also developed to be a two piece design. Someone questioned its durability to withstand the “test of time”. My rebuttal is that there are plenty of two piece items in the nitrous world. Let’s take for example the nitrous solenoid…The base seals to the tower via means of an o-ring, correct? In my many years of doing this I can remember replacing one o-ring and that was because someone purchased an incorrect sized o-ring when he disassembled his solenoid. Our plates are also precision machined to a tolerance of +0.0015/-0.0000 on the plate and +0.0000/-0.0015 on the ring. All pieces are solid billet with no hidden plugs/slugs. Perhaps the other 2 piece design in question wasn’t machined correctly or didn’t maintain the correct tolerances across the circumference or was just a very poor design? Maybe its not fair to compare something that was machined by someone else using someone else’s design to our plate? Just a suggestion that’s all.

To the original poster, sorry for hi-jacking your thread. It has always been our sales policy not to berate the competition in public or in private messages or via telephone. We stand behind a product that speaks for itself and never feel the need to do so. Again my apologies and which ever plate you choose to go with I'm sure you will be more than satisfied!
Old Jun 26, 2007 | 04:51 PM
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Just for the record if anyone wants to know I went with the NOS plate 1st becouse daves plate was on back order but when I got it I found that it DOES NOT work with the FAST intake so I sent it back and waited and waited and waited on daves plate(becouse of backorder) and I must say it WAS for sure worth the wait!!! looks and works awsome im 100% happy with it and their customer service is great they never (that I know of) got tired of me calling everyday...lol
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Glad you are happy....and thanks again for your patience
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Originally Posted by Nick@HSW
Maybe you guys should get an engineer Dave. I’d be more than happy to look over any test data you guys are willing to share that would indicate a perimeter style distribution is “just for looks”. Maybe I can get a clear cut definition as to what exactly a “perimeter style distribution” plate is too. My interpretation of perimeter is the outer limits of an area. Examine this further…in a circular object, the perimeter would be the circumference. In order to maintain a perimeter style distribution all exit points would have to follow around the entire circumference. If a discharge does not complete the circumference wouldn’t that just be an area distribution? To my knowledge, using the correct definition of perimeter, the HSW is the ONLY perimeter spray pattern.

Since its obvious who’s plate you’re talking about I’d like to share a few points as well. Our plate was developed with distribution in mind. Single point discharge plates do in fact distribute in a very similar fashion to contemporary nozzles. I’m sure we can all agree on the downfalls to nozzle distribution, no? So my question is, if you have a plate that distributes similarly to a nozzle and you push that nozzle closer and closer to the intake runners, what happens? Does it not in-fact turn the problem into a exponential growth? Hmm, I certainly think so.

The plate was also developed to be a two piece design. Someone questioned its durability to withstand the “test of time”. My rebuttal is that there are plenty of two piece items in the nitrous world. Let’s take for example the nitrous solenoid…The base seals to the tower via means of an o-ring, correct? In my many years of doing this I can remember replacing one o-ring and that was because someone purchased an incorrect sized o-ring when he disassembled his solenoid. Our plates are also precision machined to a tolerance of +0.0015/-0.0000 on the plate and +0.0000/-0.0015 on the ring. All pieces are solid billet with no hidden plugs/slugs. Perhaps the other 2 piece design in question wasn’t machined correctly or didn’t maintain the correct tolerances across the circumference or was just a very poor design? Maybe its not fair to compare something that was machined by someone else using someone else’s design to our plate? Just a suggestion that’s all.

To the original poster, sorry for hi-jacking your thread. It has always been our sales policy not to berate the competition in public or in private messages or via telephone. We stand behind a product that speaks for itself and never feel the need to do so. Again my apologies and which ever plate you choose to go with I'm sure you will be more than satisfied!
Hey Nick, How are you?
Im perfectly happy with the Engineers we work with now. I would say that our crew is doing a pretty good job at what we do since we have so many companys riding our shirt tails and copying what we do.

Not once in my post did I refer to the plate you guys are offering. I simply stated the information we have that lead us to the current plate design we have now.

Lets talk about our plate design.

We call it a perimeter because it covers the full perimeter of the point of entry. Our discharge creates a fully attomozed sheet of mixture across the entry point of the intake. We also spray across the intake port instead of at the back of the intake so that the front runners have a chance of seeing the currect mixture. (This is nothing like how a single nozzle works.)

Our plates have been proven to flow very well for hp levels of 250 and 300 hp. This is more than we suggest but have many customers doing it. I personally have hit cars with this large of a shot using our plate as well.

At some point you can only break up the mixture so much. The intake runners are going to pull the discharge in however they pull it in. At that point its simply just for marketing.

The LS1 plate is not like a carb plate where you can creat a perimeter style discharge and actually manipulate the mixture into each runner...

Our plates are available in many different options and we can custom make plates for different applications.

Now if I were to hire you to engineer our products who would you copy from.

Dave



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