self power generating electrical car?
12-10-2010, 10:59 PM
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are you refferring to a gas engine that powers a generator and using that to drive the vehicle or using the vehicle while its driving to power the generator to charge the batteries? Sounds like the idea behind the Prius
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12-13-2010, 10:47 PM
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Pressure is only useful when presented with a different pressure. One must be worked against another to do work.
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12-14-2010, 04:58 PM
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Without getting into complex explanations of the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation, let's put this into layman's terms: Let's say that you have a motor that generates the 1 kilowatt of power to drive the vehicle and then also drives a 1 kilowatt alternator/generator; in order to drive said apparatus you must use something physical, such as a belt or shaft. It takes energy to make this shaft turn or belt to move, this sucks energy away from the machine (parasitic loss). And while one day 99.99999% efficiency MAY be possible(highly unlikely, but possible), unless you can cut parasitic loss out of the equation 100% efficiency can never be achieved. You would need a drivetrain that has a mass of exactly 0.
01-12-2011, 02:59 AM
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It doesn't matter either way. Even if a 1kW motor and generator could spin each other forever, they would be useless. It would be no different than spinning a rock in outer space and calling it perpetual motion. No new energy is harvestable.
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01-13-2011, 02:08 AM
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here is a feasible way that will be the closest youll ever get:
roof of durable solar panels
rear wheels hooked to a generator
gas engine hooked to a generator
electric motor for front wheels
plug in, gas supplemental power generation, power generation via motion, power generation via sun. you can not and will not get 100% return on power used to run the generator that its using power from.
roof of durable solar panels
rear wheels hooked to a generator
gas engine hooked to a generator
electric motor for front wheels
plug in, gas supplemental power generation, power generation via motion, power generation via sun. you can not and will not get 100% return on power used to run the generator that its using power from.
01-19-2011, 02:54 AM
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nvm this would only have started a flame war. but I'll admit my wording was wrong, replace drag with loss and my point was still very clear
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01-28-2011, 04:20 AM
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All patents by definition are ******* public information! Secret patents don't exist!
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As soon as someone is granted a patent it becomes public, therefore impossible to keep secret. To keep a patent secret defeats the whole purpose of the patent system!
Why would anyone even withhold such an advanced technology that you could make billions off of anyways!
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01-28-2011, 04:26 AM
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On the physics side, looking at it from a therotical standpoint, Water is actually a much better fuel then gasoline.
Using the e=mc2 thing.... Energy = mass * (velocity of light) ^ 2... So...
A fuel with a heavier mass, therotically has more energy.
Pure Water is 1000kg/cu.m
Gasoline is 737.22kg/cu.m
So, by following the physics here, water contains more potential energy then gasoline. But, in todays technologly, This involves breaking h20 into HHO.
This requires enough energy to break apart the bonds...... Which, usually ends up consuming more energy then its worth to make it pratical. Although, There was somebody who did a hellova job at it and made a awesome water powerd car that broke down the bond inside of the combustion chamber somehow...........
Using the e=mc2 thing.... Energy = mass * (velocity of light) ^ 2... So...
A fuel with a heavier mass, therotically has more energy.
Pure Water is 1000kg/cu.m
Gasoline is 737.22kg/cu.m
So, by following the physics here, water contains more potential energy then gasoline. But, in todays technologly, This involves breaking h20 into HHO.
This requires enough energy to break apart the bonds...... Which, usually ends up consuming more energy then its worth to make it pratical. Although, There was somebody who did a hellova job at it and made a awesome water powerd car that broke down the bond inside of the combustion chamber somehow...........
From the guy that claims to have studies quantum physics?
I have a 200 lbs boulder in my backyard, can I use it to run my car?
01-29-2011, 07:50 AM
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Pretty smart idea actually. Would fix the issue of me having to listen to you on these forums.
01-29-2011, 02:31 PM
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I personally think the thread should be locked. Every time somebody tries to add useful relevant information, somebody else has to come along and flame all over it like they are accomplishing something.
01-30-2011, 01:12 PM
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While information in this thread is relevant, none of it is useful. We are talking about something that is literally impossible. If this thread should be locked it should be due to the fact that it's science fiction, not advanced engineering haha.
01-30-2011, 10:32 PM
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hand powered generator to power the batteries. idk i dont like electric cars, i like real cars, you know, the ones that drink alotta gas and farts out deadly emissions while i go hittin 160 listenin to the sweet roar of my ls, can't wait til i get ahold of some money to upgrade my 3.8. thats what i like >
02-08-2011, 09:01 PM
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its possible but not yet probable untill the technology to make these more efficient is put in place, besides if you did invent something like this and try to market it you would dissappear just like stanley myer who built a dune buggy that would go thousands of miles on one gallon of water via diodes running electric current thru water which breaks apart the hydrogen which is 100x more combustible than gasoline making it therfore extremely efficient and a clean burn, yes i have seen real cars run off this stuff...
02-08-2011, 11:54 PM
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its possible but not yet probable untill the technology to make these more efficient is put in place, besides if you did invent something like this and try to market it you would dissappear just like stanley myer who built a dune buggy that would go thousands of miles on one gallon of water via diodes running electric current thru water which breaks apart the hydrogen which is 100x more combustible than gasoline making it therfore extremely efficient and a clean burn, yes i have seen real cars run off this stuff...
02-10-2011, 01:07 PM
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