spent the past two weeks doing appearance mods, lowered it for free!!!
09-06-2010, 03:21 AM
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There isn't anything wrong with cutting springs.
HEATING springs is bad.
Cutting springs. Perfectly fine.
And yes. I did it bc it doesn't cost me a dime. And I can make it any damn height I want. Instead of putting them on and living w it.
haven't u ever see a stock spring and a aftermarket spring side by side??? The after market is shorter.
The car rides exactly like stock. Another reason why I didn't want aftermarket springs.
HEATING springs is bad.
Cutting springs. Perfectly fine.
And yes. I did it bc it doesn't cost me a dime. And I can make it any damn height I want. Instead of putting them on and living w it.
haven't u ever see a stock spring and a aftermarket spring side by side??? The after market is shorter.
The car rides exactly like stock. Another reason why I didn't want aftermarket springs.
09-06-2010, 03:26 AM
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Car rides and performs BETTER than stock. The springs on these cars are progressive rate springs. The tops are weak, the middle is strong, and the bottom is stronger yet. When u cut from the top u are getting rid of the weak coils. Making it a HIGHER rate spring(stiffer). Which makes the car handle wayy better. Not to mention the lower center of gravity.
In this case. FUNCTION=FORM
In this case. FUNCTION=FORM
09-06-2010, 03:35 AM
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Let me ask u this. What's the difference in lowering the car w stock springs. And lowering the car with aftermarket springs, as far as suspension goes??????
Not a damn thing.
Not a damn thing.
09-06-2010, 06:07 AM
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The ends of helical coil springs are made to be flat so that they fit properly into their retainers, and so the load is distributed evenly around the retainer. Cut springs have an angled end which concentrates the load on the retainer, and in some circumstances could pop out while driving.
Cut springs do not fit into the spring retainer properly.
Cut springs cannot absorb forces from bumps correctly, which lowers ride quality, spoils the handling and causes unnecessary wear on suspension components.
Cut springs do not fit into the spring retainer properly.
Cut springs cannot absorb forces from bumps correctly, which lowers ride quality, spoils the handling and causes unnecessary wear on suspension components.
09-06-2010, 07:38 AM
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1. The end of the stock springs AERNT flat. they are helical front and back, top and bottom. there isnt a flat spring on these cars ANYWHERE.
2. Even when they are helical, do u really think that when u put the weight of the car down on the spring, its gonna hold the weight of the car on the very tip of the spring????
HELL NO. ur crazy. Its gonna flatten out. The only spring that needs to be flat, is the top of the rears. Thats only IF u dont put the isolators back in. the tops of the rear springs have pockets on the body for the springs to fit in anyway. so even without the isolators, the springs will still stay centered and WILL NOT kick out.
3. They will never "pop out" when driving. they are as safe if not safer then stock, or aftermarket. the shocks do not extend far enough for the springs to come out. u have to compress the spring with the axle fully dropped. so unless ur jumping a hill and go air-born, AND springs compress themselves, what u stated will never happen.
4. All of my springs, back front, tops and bottoms, all fit perfectly in theyre retainers. every retainer is designed to fit a helical spring, NOT flat. so after cutting, they fit right back in. perfectly.
5. My car rides just as good, if not better than stock. bumps aernt noticeable, and with the higher spring rate, it handles BETTER than stock. and yet it still doesnt have the rough ride that aftermarket springs do.
6. The suspension components on my car will not wear any faster than an aftermarket spring. thts like saying they will wear different with different brands of springs. what u said doesnt make sense. sry
lastly. dont be pissed u spent money on springs when u coulda did the same for zero money.
your welcome
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2. Even when they are helical, do u really think that when u put the weight of the car down on the spring, its gonna hold the weight of the car on the very tip of the spring????
HELL NO. ur crazy. Its gonna flatten out. The only spring that needs to be flat, is the top of the rears. Thats only IF u dont put the isolators back in. the tops of the rear springs have pockets on the body for the springs to fit in anyway. so even without the isolators, the springs will still stay centered and WILL NOT kick out.
3. They will never "pop out" when driving. they are as safe if not safer then stock, or aftermarket. the shocks do not extend far enough for the springs to come out. u have to compress the spring with the axle fully dropped. so unless ur jumping a hill and go air-born, AND springs compress themselves, what u stated will never happen.
4. All of my springs, back front, tops and bottoms, all fit perfectly in theyre retainers. every retainer is designed to fit a helical spring, NOT flat. so after cutting, they fit right back in. perfectly.
5. My car rides just as good, if not better than stock. bumps aernt noticeable, and with the higher spring rate, it handles BETTER than stock. and yet it still doesnt have the rough ride that aftermarket springs do.
6. The suspension components on my car will not wear any faster than an aftermarket spring. thts like saying they will wear different with different brands of springs. what u said doesnt make sense. sry
lastly. dont be pissed u spent money on springs when u coulda did the same for zero money.
your welcome
:GTFO:
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09-06-2010, 11:27 AM
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well im not gonna get all butthurt about it either way... but... Ill say theres a good amount of time/money/r&d that goes into spring rate/travel/etc whether theyre stock or aftermarket. Sure its not torching them, but i think its the lesser of two evils. haha
Id get wheels AND suspension stuff, once funds permit. I popped for new springs to lower my car, and once i ditched the stock shocks it became a whole new ball game. Going fast is definitely fun, but being able to control where you go is more fun.
I wouldnt get defensive (the douches on tech will be douches regardless) because most of the points being made are valid (except for the dumb racist ones haha).
We can all agree that it looks better; if it hurts ride quality or if you have to pay more down the road for bushings or whatever, well call it a lesson learned; otherwise were all wrong
Id get wheels AND suspension stuff, once funds permit. I popped for new springs to lower my car, and once i ditched the stock shocks it became a whole new ball game. Going fast is definitely fun, but being able to control where you go is more fun.
I wouldnt get defensive (the douches on tech will be douches regardless) because most of the points being made are valid (except for the dumb racist ones haha).
We can all agree that it looks better; if it hurts ride quality or if you have to pay more down the road for bushings or whatever, well call it a lesson learned; otherwise were all wrong
09-06-2010, 12:02 PM
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Yea.....when I saw that you put that you lowered your car for free (aka, cutting the springs) I knew you were going to get a lot of negative responses. It's best to just leave that out, no would be any-the-wiser anyways. I've done it to mine, my cousin did it to his 99 Trans Am, and I did it to replace my friend's sagging and spongy Sportlines on his SS. I just took it in to get an alignment and she rides fine. It's all personal preference really. I did it because I was in college at the time and broke as hell. When I go through the car and re-do it, I'll probably invest in some springs. For now though, she looks and rides fine. Your car looks great OP! Oh yea, you should probably get some front turn signals man. At least get some used on eBay or on here and lightly smoke them with some VHT Nightshades because running without them is: 1.) against the law and 2.) a very big safety issue.
09-06-2010, 12:33 PM
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so is the noise that it makes
the fumes it makes ect.
just another thing added to the list. lol
09-06-2010, 12:35 PM
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Yea.....when I saw that you put that you lowered your car for free (aka, cutting the springs) I knew you were going to get a lot of negative responses. It's best to just leave that out, no would be any-the-wiser anyways. I've done it to mine, my cousin did it to his 99 Trans Am, and I did it to replace my friend's sagging and spongy Sportlines on his SS. I just took it in to get an alignment and she rides fine. It's all personal preference really. I did it because I was in college at the time and broke as hell. When I go through the car and re-do it, I'll probably invest in some springs. For now though, she looks and rides fine. Your car looks great OP! Oh yea, you should probably get some front turn signals man. At least get some used on eBay or on here and lightly smoke them with some VHT Nightshades because running without them is: 1.) against the law and 2.) a very big safety issue.
09-06-2010, 01:21 PM
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Your not going to have functional signals at all even on the rear with out a front bulb in the circuit. On top of that you need front marker lights by law along with headlights at night. The whole front of my car catches bugs not just the signals. Not sure what gaining there.
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1. The end of the stock springs AERNT flat. they are helical front and back, top and bottom. there isnt a flat spring on these cars ANYWHERE.
2. Even when they are helical, do u really think that when u put the weight of the car down on the spring, its gonna hold the weight of the car on the very tip of the spring????
HELL NO. ur crazy. Its gonna flatten out. The only spring that needs to be flat, is the top of the rears. Thats only IF u dont put the isolators back in. the tops of the rear springs have pockets on the body for the springs to fit in anyway. so even without the isolators, the springs will still stay centered and WILL NOT kick out.
3. They will never "pop out" when driving. they are as safe if not safer then stock, or aftermarket. the shocks do not extend far enough for the springs to come out. u have to compress the spring with the axle fully dropped. so unless ur jumping a hill and go air-born, AND springs compress themselves, what u stated will never happen.
4. All of my springs, back front, tops and bottoms, all fit perfectly in theyre retainers. every retainer is designed to fit a helical spring, NOT flat. so after cutting, they fit right back in. perfectly.
5. My car rides just as good, if not better than stock. bumps aernt noticeable, and with the higher spring rate, it handles BETTER than stock. and yet it still doesnt have the rough ride that aftermarket springs do.
6. The suspension components on my car will not wear any faster than an aftermarket spring. thts like saying they will wear different with different brands of springs. what u said doesnt make sense. sry
lastly. dont be pissed u spent money on springs when u coulda did the same for zero money.
your welcome
:GTFO:
2. Even when they are helical, do u really think that when u put the weight of the car down on the spring, its gonna hold the weight of the car on the very tip of the spring????
HELL NO. ur crazy. Its gonna flatten out. The only spring that needs to be flat, is the top of the rears. Thats only IF u dont put the isolators back in. the tops of the rear springs have pockets on the body for the springs to fit in anyway. so even without the isolators, the springs will still stay centered and WILL NOT kick out.
3. They will never "pop out" when driving. they are as safe if not safer then stock, or aftermarket. the shocks do not extend far enough for the springs to come out. u have to compress the spring with the axle fully dropped. so unless ur jumping a hill and go air-born, AND springs compress themselves, what u stated will never happen.
4. All of my springs, back front, tops and bottoms, all fit perfectly in theyre retainers. every retainer is designed to fit a helical spring, NOT flat. so after cutting, they fit right back in. perfectly.
5. My car rides just as good, if not better than stock. bumps aernt noticeable, and with the higher spring rate, it handles BETTER than stock. and yet it still doesnt have the rough ride that aftermarket springs do.
6. The suspension components on my car will not wear any faster than an aftermarket spring. thts like saying they will wear different with different brands of springs. what u said doesnt make sense. sry
lastly. dont be pissed u spent money on springs when u coulda did the same for zero money.
your welcome
:GTFO:
Let me know how your shocks are holding up in a few months.
I'm not pissed because I haven't spent money on springs yet but I will be doing so shortly.
I'll leave the stock spring cutting to JDM Honda boys with Fo hawks.
Time for me to GTFO.
kthnxbai
09-06-2010, 02:22 PM
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Car rides and performs BETTER than stock. The springs on these cars are progressive rate springs. The tops are weak, the middle is strong, and the bottom is stronger yet. When u cut from the top u are getting rid of the weak coils. Making it a HIGHER rate spring(stiffer). Which makes the car handle wayy better. Not to mention the lower center of gravity.
In this case. FUNCTION=FORM
In this case. FUNCTION=FORM
If you think this makes the car handle "way better" then you are missing out a lot, thats like saying an LS6 cam in a stock LS1 makes the LS1 WAY more powerful. If you want way better handling look into good shocks (being the most important thing here) good aftermarket lowing springs (which will have proper spring rates, and balanced front/rear) and matching swaybars.
If you like your cut springs then thats just fine for you, but don't think that the are comparable to proper lowering springs.
09-06-2010, 02:27 PM
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6. The suspension components on my car will not wear any faster than an aftermarket spring. thts like saying they will wear different with different brands of springs. what u said doesnt make sense. sry
lastly. dont be pissed u spent money on springs when u coulda did the same for zero money.
Dont be pissed I can make my car sound cammed like yours by pulling some spark plugs
