Mecham power oval tips. Do they come like this
Uh..what? Are you seriously this retarded. Has dude wheres my car become real life?? They make longer then standard band clamps you ******* moron, go to any dealership and ask for them. Worst case they don't have them..ok guess what, heres a idea, GET 2. That way you could easily just make it longer, get one stepped, and one normal. I don't know why im even explaining this to you, it was on a car already and was fine. If you don't wanna listen to how we put them on then I could care less.
Well he damn well should get the full price back. It isn't his fault the item was not as described, it's your fault! Why should he have to pay for your mistake? I still think it's odd that you took pictures of everywhere on the tips except the sides. But maybe that's just me.
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No way in hell will a standard band clamp that is 3-4" overall length will cover that hole. It wold have to be 6" overall length!
You WOULD use one of those above to attach the tip to the tailpipe as I had mentioned earlier.
But you have to get a second one, that is about 1-2" overall length to cover the hole.
Again, cheesy way to do it tho, ...
The buyer should really simply clean'em up a bit, & list'em on Ebay for another Honda, Kia, Toyota, ..., or other ricer owner to buy them & use them for same flame-thrower function.
Or maybe someone with a 1953 Buick will buy'em & use for his flame-thrower, ...
I'm saying IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU.
And don't bullshit anyone & say it would be okay.
So STFU your self if you're gonna be that way.
You WOULD use one of those above to attach the tip to the tailpipe as I had mentioned earlier.
But you have to get a second one, that is about 1-2" overall length to cover the hole.
Again, cheesy way to do it tho, ...
The buyer should really simply clean'em up a bit, & list'em on Ebay for another Honda, Kia, Toyota, ..., or other ricer owner to buy them & use them for same flame-thrower function.
Or maybe someone with a 1953 Buick will buy'em & use for his flame-thrower, ...
I'm saying IT WOULD BE A BIG DEAL IF IT HAPPENED TO YOU.
And don't bullshit anyone & say it would be okay.
So STFU your self if you're gonna be that way.
Even if you use 3-4" clamps, the holes will still be filled by the tailpipe it slides over. so it makes no difference....
Hell, when I installed my second set of tips, I actually drilled holes and bolted them in place (right through the pipes)
The bolts were still virtually invisible unless you stuck your head under the car
FFWD to 4:37 and see if you can point them out....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCCmPcMlZSU
Ok, well the OP should just file a paypal dispute/credit card chargeback and get his full purchase price back because you clearly believe you're not at fault.
I'm not loosing money because someone doesn't want a used as is item. Why would you go through that over $40. As like 80% of the people in this entire thread have said, the hole affects nothing about the tips to begin with. We had it on a car, and snake had it on his car. I don't even understand how this is even a conversation right now. Were talking about exhaust tips, I feel like im insanely drunk right now listening to you guys babble about this acting like I sold a Maserati or something.
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Nothing?
How can you guys says it's nothing?
All of you that say it's nothing, ..., would simply accept it?
No way that's true.
It's not about the money anymore, it's about the principle of the sale & full disclosure.
I wouldn't care it were $3.
If you bought a car online, & it showed up & had a dent in the lower rear fender, ..., would you accept it & say, hey, it happens, get over it, ...
You have to put yourself in the buyers shoes. If you bought something, & it proved out to be not exactly as it should have been, what would you do?
Facts is, it was hidden from view, purposely or not, ..., it was NOT fully disclosed about the condition.
When you get stopped for speeding, & you say, "I didn't know it was a 45mph zone." Doesn't the cop say "Iignorance of the law is not an excuse."?
So when you sell something that is not as the buyer knows it should be, do you really simply believe "Oh well, tough luck"?
When you order a meal at Red Lobster & you don't get your cheddar biscuits, ..., don't you say "Hey, ..., where the hell's my biscuits?", ..., or better yet, "Why does my biscuit have a hole in the side of it?!?"
*stirrin' the pot, ...*
How can you guys says it's nothing?
All of you that say it's nothing, ..., would simply accept it?
No way that's true.
It's not about the money anymore, it's about the principle of the sale & full disclosure.
I wouldn't care it were $3.
If you bought a car online, & it showed up & had a dent in the lower rear fender, ..., would you accept it & say, hey, it happens, get over it, ...
You have to put yourself in the buyers shoes. If you bought something, & it proved out to be not exactly as it should have been, what would you do?
Facts is, it was hidden from view, purposely or not, ..., it was NOT fully disclosed about the condition.
When you get stopped for speeding, & you say, "I didn't know it was a 45mph zone." Doesn't the cop say "Iignorance of the law is not an excuse."?
So when you sell something that is not as the buyer knows it should be, do you really simply believe "Oh well, tough luck"?
When you order a meal at Red Lobster & you don't get your cheddar biscuits, ..., don't you say "Hey, ..., where the hell's my biscuits?", ..., or better yet, "Why does my biscuit have a hole in the side of it?!?"
*stirrin' the pot, ...*
It's a used item, plain and simple and the hole should be covered when it slides over the tail pipe.
PontiacFan, you have no idea who I am or what I would or wouldn't accept. I bought a pair of Strano springs second hand that were supposedly 'brand new' and I got them for $50 less than new because the kid was selling his car before he installed them. When I got them, there was some flaking on the powdercoating for the rear springs, and it was obvious they were installed. I asked and found out that he was the second owner and the first owner installed them for a week and then he bought them but never installed them.
Guess what, I didn't give a rat's *** because they are a spring, not an appearance mod and the powder coating would have come off as soon as I installed them.
I got a great deal, and at the time there was a wait of 1-2 months to get a set of Strano's.
No difference here, you bought a used item for a big discount and the hole doesn't impact the performance or use of the item. Stop crying and just freakin install them and enjoy them.
PontiacFan, you have no idea who I am or what I would or wouldn't accept. I bought a pair of Strano springs second hand that were supposedly 'brand new' and I got them for $50 less than new because the kid was selling his car before he installed them. When I got them, there was some flaking on the powdercoating for the rear springs, and it was obvious they were installed. I asked and found out that he was the second owner and the first owner installed them for a week and then he bought them but never installed them.
Guess what, I didn't give a rat's *** because they are a spring, not an appearance mod and the powder coating would have come off as soon as I installed them.
I got a great deal, and at the time there was a wait of 1-2 months to get a set of Strano's.
No difference here, you bought a used item for a big discount and the hole doesn't impact the performance or use of the item. Stop crying and just freakin install them and enjoy them.
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It would be a totally different story if I was told the tips were brand new.
It's not about the money anymore, it's about the principle of the sale & full disclosure.
I wouldn't care it were $3.
If you bought a car online, & it showed up & had a dent in the lower rear fender, ..., would you accept it & say, hey, it happens, get over it, ...
I wouldn't care it were $3.
If you bought a car online, & it showed up & had a dent in the lower rear fender, ..., would you accept it & say, hey, it happens, get over it, ...
Anyone that would is a fool, plain and simple.
You have to put yourself in the buyers shoes. If you bought something, & it proved out to be not exactly as it should have been, what would you do?
Would you go to a used car lot and assume everything the salesman tells you is the truth?
Facts is, it was hidden from view, purposely or not, ..., it was NOT fully disclosed about the condition.
Since he's probably never seen a brand new tip up close, I wouldn't expect him to know what they were for.
When you get stopped for speeding, & you say, "I didn't know it was a 45mph zone." Doesn't the cop say "Iignorance of the law is not an excuse."?
So when you sell something that is not as the buyer knows it should be, do you really simply believe "Oh well, tough luck"?
So when you sell something that is not as the buyer knows it should be, do you really simply believe "Oh well, tough luck"?
You can't always assume the seller knows the history of every item he sells, especially if it's used....
In fact, many of the used parts I sell, I couldn't tell you what they looked like when they were new
Hell, I plan on selling my '29 Ford soon and I'm not the original owner (big surprise there, eh?)
It has ton's of mods and it seems I learn something new about it on a daily basis.
I honestly don't have a clue what it looked like when it rolled off the assembly line, but if a buyer comes back to me a week later because he claims this or that wasn't original, you can bet your *** I'll say tough $h!t because it would've been sold "AS IS"
When you order a meal at Red Lobster & you don't get your cheddar biscuits, ..., don't you say "Hey, ..., where the hell's my biscuits?", ..., or better yet, "Why does my biscuit have a hole in the side of it?!?"
You're comparing used items to new items
If someone took a bite out of my freshly baked biscuit, then yes, I would have a big problem with that
But if I were hungry and digging through a trash can for leftover scraps, I wouldn't have a problem with it and would only expect there to at least be a bite
*stirrin' the pot, ...*
I just read 3 pages of complaining about two holes in a exhaust tip? LOL What difference does a small hole that size in end of a tip even make? Is the Exhaust tip going to rust and fall apart? Or will the Exhaust not change dramatically for you because of these two holes?
The only thing I can gather is that you feel he should have showed them too you before you bought them, and because they are not made this way, you don't want them on your car?
PS.. Im not defending anyone here just curious as to why you think these tips are so bad because of the holes.
The only thing I can gather is that you feel he should have showed them too you before you bought them, and because they are not made this way, you don't want them on your car?
PS.. Im not defending anyone here just curious as to why you think these tips are so bad because of the holes.
Wow. Talk about an overreaction.
Dude bought a USED set of exhaust tips. If I didn't know any better, I'd assume that the holes were supposed to be there, seeing as how they are completely out of sight and have ZERO EFFECT ON ANYTHING. There is nothing wrong with those tips. What, are they going to rust out because of the holes? Will it make your check engine light come on, and make your car sound like a Cavalier?
They will mount up and function like they should, and they will look fine. Come on man, we're talking about a used set of exhaust tips. Some of you are acting like the dude bought a set of drilled up pistons or something.
Dude bought a USED set of exhaust tips. If I didn't know any better, I'd assume that the holes were supposed to be there, seeing as how they are completely out of sight and have ZERO EFFECT ON ANYTHING. There is nothing wrong with those tips. What, are they going to rust out because of the holes? Will it make your check engine light come on, and make your car sound like a Cavalier?
They will mount up and function like they should, and they will look fine. Come on man, we're talking about a used set of exhaust tips. Some of you are acting like the dude bought a set of drilled up pistons or something.
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Doesn't matter. The hole was NOT explained, the buyer shouldn't have to even think about asking about it since it wasn't shown.
It's not a matter of the 'they will function fine'.
They are not what in the condition they should be.
I'd be mad as hell if I bought something like that shown in the pictures & they arrived with holes, & the seller wasn't helping. Hell, I'd even file a Paypal claim if I had to, to resolve it.
Alchemist, ..., I'd bet $100 you wouldn't accept it either if it happened to you.
You wouldn't put them on your car with a hole in them.
Had anyone seen the ad, with the holes & the notes that they were there, the sale would have gone COMPLETELY different. No doubt in my mind. No matter what the current sale/buyer paid for them, it would have gone differently.
IBTL, ...
It's not a matter of the 'they will function fine'.
They are not what in the condition they should be.
I'd be mad as hell if I bought something like that shown in the pictures & they arrived with holes, & the seller wasn't helping. Hell, I'd even file a Paypal claim if I had to, to resolve it.
Alchemist, ..., I'd bet $100 you wouldn't accept it either if it happened to you.
You wouldn't put them on your car with a hole in them.
Had anyone seen the ad, with the holes & the notes that they were there, the sale would have gone COMPLETELY different. No doubt in my mind. No matter what the current sale/buyer paid for them, it would have gone differently.
IBTL, ...
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Some people are really picky about their cars. I know I am. I would just refund the guy. Have him send the tips back and just send his money back. It's not that big of a deal. These tips were made custom and you failed to disclose it. Yes, I know, you didn't know about it, but you're still the seller and you should take responsibility. This is an item that was not as described. Someone drilled holes into the sides for a custom application. They should be sold cheap. So the argument that they are expensive new isn't relevant. It isn't unheard of to score these tips cheap either..I bought a set that was in good condition several years ago for under what he paid FWIW
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no you refund it all and pay for shipping back to you , i shouldn't lose anything .
just because you didnt know these were a custom app , you should step up and refund it all and cover shipping back . its the only right thing to do .
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someone buy these ******* tips then, this guy obviously isnt gonna refund my money like he should . Im getting fucked .
And for people saying not a big deal this and that your ********. These holes dont belong there and they wernt shown . The seller should just refund my money and eat the money and resell them .
And for people saying not a big deal this and that your ********. These holes dont belong there and they wernt shown . The seller should just refund my money and eat the money and resell them .
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Not gonna get anywhere here on the forum, i would suggest taking it up with Paypal and your credit card company to get the desired outcome on this one before your window of opportunity runs out on this one.