Best Glaze/Sealant/Wasx for Pewter Metallic Paint
04-17-2013, 01:46 PM
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Whatever. Read post 27. That is my experience with it. Maybe a leprechaun jerked off in my bottle and made it magic. I have used it since then but not on anything that was as done in as the paint was on that Z.
The hood of the car in my sig was coated in hardwater spots earlier in the same day as the pic was taken and I PC'ed it.
The hood of the car in my sig was coated in hardwater spots earlier in the same day as the pic was taken and I PC'ed it.
04-17-2013, 01:52 PM
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I'm just saying its prolly a filler, and if u do an IPA wipe down or dawn wash you will see what it really did or didn't do.
If that stuff really did remove swirls by hand detailers wouldn't spend $120-400+ on DA Polishers
If that stuff really did remove swirls by hand detailers wouldn't spend $120-400+ on DA Polishers
04-17-2013, 02:07 PM
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Yeah they would. You try hard enough you can remove a bolt by hand but you still buy wrenches to make it easier, right? Difference is I don't get paid for my time so hand was fine by me.
04-17-2013, 02:14 PM
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You will not correct anything without a machine.
Here is my car I did a couple years ago, should be a good read for you, right on point.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-m...tons-pics.html
Ive used zaino products years ago back when the zfx accellerant was 1st introduced. I really liked it, they make a good wax. Any kinda carnuba based wax is fine, just personal preference. I do recommend a good sealant before wax though, you will get more outta it.
If a product claims to remove RIDS and swirls by hand then it's a polymer based glaze that is filling imperfections.
Oh and 2 bucket method is your best bet keeping things mint.
Here is my car I did a couple years ago, should be a good read for you, right on point.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-m...tons-pics.html
Ive used zaino products years ago back when the zfx accellerant was 1st introduced. I really liked it, they make a good wax. Any kinda carnuba based wax is fine, just personal preference. I do recommend a good sealant before wax though, you will get more outta it.
If a product claims to remove RIDS and swirls by hand then it's a polymer based glaze that is filling imperfections.
Oh and 2 bucket method is your best bet keeping things mint.
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04-17-2013, 03:06 PM
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I use Griot's Garage products and the results are impressive. I bought their 6'' random orbital buffer, their polish, best of show wax, clay, and detail spray. The results after 8 hours were stunning.
Their polishes are on the gentle side, and their orbital buffers are safe to use so that you do not burn through your paint. I daily drive my car all year round here in Mass and the swirl marks were eliminated. Deeper scratches were greatly reduced, and the wax hid a lot of other scratches as well.
I don't think I'll ever apply wax by hand again
I use Griot's Garage products and the results are impressive. I bought their 6'' random orbital buffer, their polish, best of show wax, clay, and detail spray. The results after 8 hours were stunning.
Their polishes are on the gentle side, and their orbital buffers are safe to use so that you do not burn through your paint. I daily drive my car all year round here in Mass and the swirl marks were eliminated. Deeper scratches were greatly reduced, and the wax hid a lot of other scratches as well.
I don't think I'll ever apply wax by hand again
04-17-2013, 03:20 PM
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All I'm saying is they are misleading you if they really are telling you that you can REMOVE swirls by hand with it. If they say fill in imperfections then they would be telling the truth.
Do an IPA wipe down or wash it with dawn soap then report back, you will see what I'm talking about
Do an IPA wipe down or wash it with dawn soap then report back, you will see what I'm talking about
04-17-2013, 03:33 PM
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You will not correct anything without a machine.
Here is my car I did a couple years ago, should be a good read for you, right on point.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-m...tons-pics.html
Ive used zaino products years ago back when the zfx accellerant was 1st introduced. I really liked it, they make a good wax. Any kinda carnuba based wax is fine, just personal preference. I do recommend a good sealant before wax though, you will get more outta it.
If a product claims to remove RIDS and swirls by hand then it's a polymer based glaze that is filling imperfections.
Oh and 2 bucket method is your best bet keeping things mint.
Here is my car I did a couple years ago, should be a good read for you, right on point.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-m...tons-pics.html
Ive used zaino products years ago back when the zfx accellerant was 1st introduced. I really liked it, they make a good wax. Any kinda carnuba based wax is fine, just personal preference. I do recommend a good sealant before wax though, you will get more outta it.
If a product claims to remove RIDS and swirls by hand then it's a polymer based glaze that is filling imperfections.
Oh and 2 bucket method is your best bet keeping things mint.
Either way I go, I'm going to do the 2 bucket approach from here on out.
04-18-2013, 09:34 AM
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I'm not too familiar with the Zaino offerings besides the Z9/10 leather products which I've used and know first hand are fantastic products. If you're planning to undertake this project yourself you're going to need a DA buffer, at an absolute minimum. Also, assuming your car has not been repainted, you're going to have hard clear cote which will make it more difficult to correct paint blemishes. Nothing wrong with doing it yourself, but you have a lot of research and gear purchases ahead of you.
Without seeing the car in person, this would be the product lineup I'd recommend.
Griots DA
Meguiars DA Kit (D300/MF Pads)
Meguiars M105 (to mix with your D300 in the heavily swirled areas)
Menzerna M205 (remove hazing from your compouding stage)
Menzerna PO85RD (finish polish to amp gloss)
CarPro Eraser (remove polishing oils)
CarPro Cquartz (seal your work)
04-18-2013, 02:23 PM
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The one polish Zaino has is the ZPC. I have used Zaino for years and know what it will and will not do. I used ZPC and found it average at best and it did dust a lot. Zaino is not keeping up with the times or developing anything new, so I hardly reach for them anymore because they no longer produce something better than what other people put out.
ZPC does have "bonding agents" in it so you can go right to Z2 or Z5.... Because both of those products have fillers (which are not an 'evil' thing), Its very likely the ZPC does as well.
Polishing by hand is a waste of time. You need a machine unless you're satisfied with 10% correction and a sore arm/back.
As for the Audi video posted....I lost track of how many times "no swirls" was mentioned....now this could be true that its swirl free.....but since there was no direct sunlight, all that was shown was a shiny car. I could do that same video off a car at a dealership in that same light covered in swirls and you wouldn't see them.
04-18-2013, 07:59 PM
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Just to avoid confusion as Zaino's Z5 "POLISH" is already poorly named..... Blackfire Wet Diamond is a sealant, NOT a polish. Zaino products are also sealants, not waxes, or polishes.
The one polish Zaino has is the ZPC. I have used Zaino for years and know what it will and will not do. I used ZPC and found it average at best and it did dust a lot. Zaino is not keeping up with the times or developing anything new, so I hardly reach for them anymore because they no longer produce something better than what other people put out.
ZPC does have "bonding agents" in it so you can go right to Z2 or Z5.... Because both of those products have fillers (which are not an 'evil' thing), Its very likely the ZPC does as well.
Polishing by hand is a waste of time. You need a machine unless you're satisfied with 10% correction and a sore arm/back.
As for the Audi video posted....I lost track of how many times "no swirls" was mentioned....now this could be true that its swirl free.....but since there was no direct sunlight, all that was shown was a shiny car. I could do that same video off a car at a dealership in that same light covered in swirls and you wouldn't see them.
The one polish Zaino has is the ZPC. I have used Zaino for years and know what it will and will not do. I used ZPC and found it average at best and it did dust a lot. Zaino is not keeping up with the times or developing anything new, so I hardly reach for them anymore because they no longer produce something better than what other people put out.
ZPC does have "bonding agents" in it so you can go right to Z2 or Z5.... Because both of those products have fillers (which are not an 'evil' thing), Its very likely the ZPC does as well.
Polishing by hand is a waste of time. You need a machine unless you're satisfied with 10% correction and a sore arm/back.
As for the Audi video posted....I lost track of how many times "no swirls" was mentioned....now this could be true that its swirl free.....but since there was no direct sunlight, all that was shown was a shiny car. I could do that same video off a car at a dealership in that same light covered in swirls and you wouldn't see them.
OP, no one is trying to bust your ***** or give you a hard time. They are just trying to let you know what works and what doesn't that's all.
People like Gofast, AWD and Rare know what they are talking about.
04-18-2013, 09:09 PM
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Another vote for Zaino here. Not only will it keep your paint looking great, it will preserve it as well. The candy apple paint job on my dad's Corvette is 33 years old now as has never had a product besides Zaino touch it (Zaino originally painted the car way back when they had a body shop). Most people with a candy paint job are lucky if they get 10 years out of it. We have had it for 3x that long and people still ask if it was just painted. In this picture I am pretty sure I had just thrown a coat of Z5 pro and Z8 detailer on.
Heres another one:
And one of my car with the factory paint and 142,000 miles
Best bet is to buy the complete kit, wash with Dawn (this is important), and do the step by step process. It may be time consuming, but you will be happy with the end result...
Heres another one:
And one of my car with the factory paint and 142,000 miles
Best bet is to buy the complete kit, wash with Dawn (this is important), and do the step by step process. It may be time consuming, but you will be happy with the end result...
04-18-2013, 10:32 PM
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[QUOTE=GoFast908Z;17327990]Just to avoid confusion as Zaino's Z5 "POLISH" is already poorly named..... Blackfire Wet Diamond is a sealant, NOT a polish. Zaino products are also sealants, not waxes, or polishes.
Correct, misinformation on my behalf. Thanks for clearing that up.
Correct, misinformation on my behalf. Thanks for clearing that up.
04-19-2013, 08:22 AM
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I'm just going to have my guy do the correction for me. He's a professional and his before/after pictures are amazing, so I know he can take care of it without any issues. After the correction has been done, I'll do the 2 bucket method and order the Zaino kit for maintenance purposes.
04-19-2013, 12:23 PM
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Just to avoid confusion as Zaino's Z5 "POLISH" is already poorly named..... Blackfire Wet Diamond is a sealant, NOT a polish. Zaino products are also sealants, not waxes, or polishes.
The one polish Zaino has is the ZPC. I have used Zaino for years and know what it will and will not do. I used ZPC and found it average at best and it did dust a lot. Zaino is not keeping up with the times or developing anything new, so I hardly reach for them anymore because they no longer produce something better than what other people put out.
ZPC does have "bonding agents" in it so you can go right to Z2 or Z5.... Because both of those products have fillers (which are not an 'evil' thing), Its very likely the ZPC does as well.
Polishing by hand is a waste of time. You need a machine unless you're satisfied with 10% correction and a sore arm/back.
As for the Audi video posted....I lost track of how many times "no swirls" was mentioned....now this could be true that its swirl free.....but since there was no direct sunlight, all that was shown was a shiny car. I could do that same video off a car at a dealership in that same light covered in swirls and you wouldn't see them.
The one polish Zaino has is the ZPC. I have used Zaino for years and know what it will and will not do. I used ZPC and found it average at best and it did dust a lot. Zaino is not keeping up with the times or developing anything new, so I hardly reach for them anymore because they no longer produce something better than what other people put out.
ZPC does have "bonding agents" in it so you can go right to Z2 or Z5.... Because both of those products have fillers (which are not an 'evil' thing), Its very likely the ZPC does as well.
Polishing by hand is a waste of time. You need a machine unless you're satisfied with 10% correction and a sore arm/back.
As for the Audi video posted....I lost track of how many times "no swirls" was mentioned....now this could be true that its swirl free.....but since there was no direct sunlight, all that was shown was a shiny car. I could do that same video off a car at a dealership in that same light covered in swirls and you wouldn't see them.
Not a Zaino basher here, but I will say that there are better products on the market, period.
04-19-2013, 12:27 PM
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I'm just going to have my guy do the correction for me. He's a professional and his before/after pictures are amazing, so I know he can take care of it without any issues. After the correction has been done, I'll do the 2 bucket method and order the Zaino kit for maintenance purposes.
I've been in your shoes before. Paint is corrected and looks beautiful. Nice sealant/wax combo as my LSP. Eventually, your protection wears off, and if you're not vigilant, you leave your car unprotected and open to water spots, swirls, rids, you name it.
Look at Cquartz and Opti Coat. Have it protected for YEARS. It's as easy as it gets for the consumers, and the guys that offer it professionally will tell you similar.
