How do I clean the back window and windshield of a 1998 Trans Am?
12-07-2017, 08:14 AM
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How do I clean the back window and windshield of a 1998 Trans Am? I've searched all over this forum, and can't seem to find out what I'm doing wrong. I've used water/soap on the outside of both the front and back windows, and I've tried using Rain-X glass cleaner with a double sided micro-fiber / buffing rag. My door windows and T-Tops look like show-room perfect, but no matter what my back window and windshield are smudgey pieces of ****. I can wipe and wipe, wet and wet, wipe and wipe, and it still looks like garbage. I can barely see out of my windshield every morning from moisture build up when I drive to work until enough sun comes out, no matter how much I try to clean it. Do I have to take a razor blade and steel wool to it or something? (I would be scared to do this on the back, with the defrost heating elements.) What am I doing wrong here?
12-07-2017, 02:09 PM
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I don't exactly understand where your issue is, outside or inside? I thought you were referring to the outside, but then I see you mention being worried about the heating elements on the back glass, but those are only on the inside and cannot be damaged by anything done to the outside of the glass.
But let's assume your issue is with the exterior portion of the glass. If you have film that won't come off with normal soap/water/glass cleaner, then you might have hard water stains or something else that's baked on. You can use a glass polish for this (Zaino makes a great one), and/or rubbing compound or metal polish. Some folks also have great luck using a clay bar for this. I've done some restoration work with old glass sealed beam headlights and found that fine grade steel wool, with a rubbing compound as a lubricant, can remove most issues without damaging the glass. But this is very labor intensive for an entire window and will leave metal dust everywhere, so I wouldn't go to this step until after trying rubbing compound/glass polish/clay bar first.
Having said that, it's entirely possible that your issues might be on the inside of the glass. Interior window film build-up can be a real issue on modern cars with big plastic dashes and/or vehicles that are smoked in, etc. But there should be no reason to need heavy cut compounds or polishes on the inside glass as it's not exposed to the elements. For this sort of film/haze, my favorite product is Dirtex by Savogran - this is a window/tile/mirror cleaner which cuts through just about anything that would typically be found on interior glass. It contains ammonia though, so don't use it on tinting paper unless you want to remove it.
But let's assume your issue is with the exterior portion of the glass. If you have film that won't come off with normal soap/water/glass cleaner, then you might have hard water stains or something else that's baked on. You can use a glass polish for this (Zaino makes a great one), and/or rubbing compound or metal polish. Some folks also have great luck using a clay bar for this. I've done some restoration work with old glass sealed beam headlights and found that fine grade steel wool, with a rubbing compound as a lubricant, can remove most issues without damaging the glass. But this is very labor intensive for an entire window and will leave metal dust everywhere, so I wouldn't go to this step until after trying rubbing compound/glass polish/clay bar first.
Having said that, it's entirely possible that your issues might be on the inside of the glass. Interior window film build-up can be a real issue on modern cars with big plastic dashes and/or vehicles that are smoked in, etc. But there should be no reason to need heavy cut compounds or polishes on the inside glass as it's not exposed to the elements. For this sort of film/haze, my favorite product is Dirtex by Savogran - this is a window/tile/mirror cleaner which cuts through just about anything that would typically be found on interior glass. It contains ammonia though, so don't use it on tinting paper unless you want to remove it.
12-07-2017, 02:44 PM
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The best way to clean glass and remove smudges is an old school technique. Crumple up a bunch of newspaper/junk mail fliers and use that instead of a micro fibre cloth. Then spray the glass with your normal Windex. Zero smudges. Been doing this my whole life. Haven't found anything that has worked as good as this does.
12-07-2017, 02:58 PM
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The best way to clean glass and remove smudges is an old school technique. Crumple up a bunch of newspaper/junk mail fliers and use that instead of a micro fibre cloth. Then spray the glass with your normal Windex. Zero smudges. Been doing this my whole life. Haven't found anything that has worked as good as this does.
For conditions such as extreme hard water stains, paint overspray, or anything else that's highly bonded to the surface, you'll need more than just a spray glass cleaner and towels or newspaper to get it back to perfect.
12-07-2017, 03:24 PM
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If it's tinted, don't use anything with ammonia in it. The tint will turn purple.
I've always preferred the less is more approach. A half & half distilled white vinegar and water (Tap water if you don't have hard water, distilled otherwise) in a spray bottle with a good terry cloth to remove any existing films. Then BUFF with a NEW microfiber towel before it dries completely.
For maintenance, use a lift technique to remove finger print oils on the first pass (do not smear it around), then flip the terry cloth to spot clean with the diluted vinegar, then buff with a fresh micro.
I've always preferred the less is more approach. A half & half distilled white vinegar and water (Tap water if you don't have hard water, distilled otherwise) in a spray bottle with a good terry cloth to remove any existing films. Then BUFF with a NEW microfiber towel before it dries completely.
For maintenance, use a lift technique to remove finger print oils on the first pass (do not smear it around), then flip the terry cloth to spot clean with the diluted vinegar, then buff with a fresh micro.
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12-10-2017, 02:31 PM
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The best way to clean glass and remove smudges is an old school technique. Crumple up a bunch of newspaper/junk mail fliers and use that instead of a micro fibre cloth. Then spray the glass with your normal Windex. Zero smudges. Been doing this my whole life. Haven't found anything that has worked as good as this does.
Newspaper is absolutely the best thing to clean the glass. There;s nothing made that comes close. I was an auto glass mechanic for 2 years while in high school part time......its all we used in the work trucks. Regular glass cleaner and friggin newspaper. This was back in 1986 when I was in high school....
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12-10-2017, 06:29 PM
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But I also don't like the "regular" glass cleaners, they just don't work as well as Dirtex (though, again, don't use Dirtex or any other ammonia cleaners on tinting paper.)
12-11-2017, 03:17 AM
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Agree to disagree. I've actually tried this (newspaper) before, just to see if the "old time" hype was true; it's not IMO. I get better results from premium linen diapers (they are very low lint and glide easier than microfiber, better job overall than newspaper with no ink left on your hands.)
But I also don't like the "regular" glass cleaners, they just don't work as well as Dirtex (though, again, don't use Dirtex or any other ammonia cleaners on tinting paper.)
But I also don't like the "regular" glass cleaners, they just don't work as well as Dirtex (though, again, don't use Dirtex or any other ammonia cleaners on tinting paper.)
12-11-2017, 08:34 AM
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If you are cleaning the inside of the window for tint prep, what a lot of tint shops use is 409 and some black trash bags up on in the sun for a while. But we are still not sure what you are trying to clean exactly.
12-21-2017, 02:59 PM
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Well, I had the back window done professionally with the tint... but the windshield is still a disgusting mess every morning. I'll take a picture if I can. (I haven't tried Dirtex, yet. I get paid tomorrow.)