people with the SY3500
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Re: people with the SY3500 Hmmm,... to tell you the truth, I'm not sure because I spin too much if I go above 1900. 
My normal launches are hold at 1100 and hammer flash it on the second yellow. Worked for 1.7x on hot nittos and now 1.48s on slicks and a 100 shot.
If we hit the street this evening or tomorrow night, I run a quick test for you and let you know how it looks.
Rick
My normal launches are hold at 1100 and hammer flash it on the second yellow. Worked for 1.7x on hot nittos and now 1.48s on slicks and a 100 shot.If we hit the street this evening or tomorrow night, I run a quick test for you and let you know how it looks.
Rick
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Re: people with the SY3500 Well, I managed to remember to do a test for you on the way back from the Saturday night "Metro Detroit Non-Track Event".
I am brake stalling at about 2700 right now on the SY-3500. That's with fresh pads in the last 3000 miles and normally using the line lock to avoid rear pad wear.
Rick
I am brake stalling at about 2700 right now on the SY-3500. That's with fresh pads in the last 3000 miles and normally using the line lock to avoid rear pad wear.
Rick
Re: people with the SY3500 foot stalling and flash stalling are very very different. it has much more to do with traction. flash stalling is where your tranny will "slip" to on flash. only with a tranny brake will you get that kind of foot stall. so dont worry about bleding your breaks. you dont need to stall it to 3500 rpms. more like than not you dont have enough traction to hold it (heck you are slipping around at under 2K). most yanks like mine work their best footstalling to around 1800 rpms at most.
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Re: people with the SY3500 Gator's 99TA, my best 60 foot was a 1.881. I've tried practically every rpm and I can't better my time. The thing dead hooks every time. People with this set-up average 1.7's.
What 60 foot do you average when footstalling to 1800? How much of a difference do you get if you footstall from say 1500?
What 60 foot do you average when footstalling to 1800? How much of a difference do you get if you footstall from say 1500?
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Re: people with the SY3500 Hmmm,... what performance mods do you have so far that are generating/opening up power?
Lid, filter, MAF, catback, headers, tuning????
What tires are you running that you are dead hooking??
Rick
Lid, filter, MAF, catback, headers, tuning????
What tires are you running that you are dead hooking??
Rick
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Re: people with the SY3500 well first deadhooking (and very few people actually deadhook) is not good and hard on drivetran parts. you want 2-3 rotations of slipping or spining before you get out of that 60' (i imagine that covers nearly everyone here). but saying that, i run a 28x9 et drag (setup for my nitrous combo) that i have to run way high pressure, around 19 psi cold, or 21 hot. i deadhook (spin 2-3 rotations) and have pulled 1.51 on motor alone at 3500 lbs. i foot stall it to about 1800 rpms or so, just where the car starts to move from under me, then get off a bit. from a flat idle punching it, i pull pretty consistent 1.60-1.58 60' times. also i have big *** slicks like i said, but i cant get over about 2500 rpms without it sliding and i have a ton of traction and 4.11 gears.
i would actually increase your tire pressure, see if they are moving on the rim during your launch (dab spot of polish on rim, old school style), and see where you go from there. what tire are you on makes a difference, but if you are overhooking the car, that is a problem as much as spinning. also what are your times off idle just punching it? good luck and ask any more Qs, we are here for ya!
i would actually increase your tire pressure, see if they are moving on the rim during your launch (dab spot of polish on rim, old school style), and see where you go from there. what tire are you on makes a difference, but if you are overhooking the car, that is a problem as much as spinning. also what are your times off idle just punching it? good luck and ask any more Qs, we are here for ya!
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From: Chicago
Re: people with the SY3500 I have a Lid, filter, and cutout. I was wondering if I just don't have the power to cut a good 60 foot. My trap speeds seem right though, consistent 106...108 in good weather.
The track I go to is really sticky.
24 psi. launching at 1500...1.927
20 psi. launching at 2000...2.012*
20 psi. launching at 1500...1.923
20 psi. launching at 1800...1.926
20 psi. launching at 2200...1.927
17 psi. launching at 2200...1.911
The above runs were all on the same day, with the last run having much cooler weather. The run with the astericks had spin.
22 psi. launching at 1100...1.888
22 psi. launching at idle...1.881
These runs were on the same day, with the last run, again, having much cooler weather. (if weather affects the 60 foot)
From what I can tell it is a dead hook. I can't feel any noticeable spin. My brothers watching the run didn't see any tire rotation...but I'll try the polish thing next time I go. I really appreciate the help...since I'm a rookie at all of this and these runs were just my 2nd and 3rd time at the track.
With the advice you guys have given, I'll try 24 psi at idle and work my way up and see how that goes, unless you guys have a different suggestion. Thanks.
Brian
The track I go to is really sticky.
24 psi. launching at 1500...1.927
20 psi. launching at 2000...2.012*
20 psi. launching at 1500...1.923
20 psi. launching at 1800...1.926
20 psi. launching at 2200...1.927
17 psi. launching at 2200...1.911
The above runs were all on the same day, with the last run having much cooler weather. The run with the astericks had spin.
22 psi. launching at 1100...1.888
22 psi. launching at idle...1.881
These runs were on the same day, with the last run, again, having much cooler weather. (if weather affects the 60 foot)
From what I can tell it is a dead hook. I can't feel any noticeable spin. My brothers watching the run didn't see any tire rotation...but I'll try the polish thing next time I go. I really appreciate the help...since I'm a rookie at all of this and these runs were just my 2nd and 3rd time at the track.
With the advice you guys have given, I'll try 24 psi at idle and work my way up and see how that goes, unless you guys have a different suggestion. Thanks.
Brian
Re: people with the SY3500 yea again if you are dead hooking then you need to up the pressure. what tire are you running? also you have definately enough power for 1.7s all day. that isnt the issue, esp with 106-108 mph speeds.
also just listen to good advice and more importantly practice practice practice. you will be easily 1.7, esp on a good track.
also just listen to good advice and more importantly practice practice practice. you will be easily 1.7, esp on a good track.
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Re: people with the SY3500 John, why would you want to spin the tires during the launch? If you mean that it's easier on the drivetrain, I might argue with you. Spinning can often result in wheelhop which is one of the biggest killers of drivetrain parts I can think of. The only times I've ever busted drivetrain parts, it's been when I've spun. (Busted the spider gears once. Stripped an axle once.)
Spinning can often result in wheelhop which is one of the biggest killers of drivetrain parts I can think of. The only times I've ever busted drivetrain parts, it's been when I've spun. (Busted the spider gears once. Stripped an axle once.) Re: people with the SY3500 well i just talked to a few big time racers, and i was sorta mistaken. with higher power cars and ours can be "higher power", esp for stock driveline parts you want to spin 1-2 rotations. stock is mainly what i am talking about, when i say dont deadhook the car. also, most of the top NHRA guys (esp prostockers) want 1-2 rotation of spin to keep the motor from not bogging down. looking at super slow motion cameras, all of the cars do some spinning (usually 1-2 spins), even on those massive 33x17" goodyear slicks. 1-2 rotations isnt many for the entire 60' path. but overall, ofcourse, spinning isnt good at all for ET. i just hate to see it when guys deadhook their stock stuff on big slicks for the first time and hook WAY too hard 
and i agree with you colonel, wheelhop spining that much will def shock that driveline and break parts.
and i agree with you colonel, wheelhop spining that much will def shock that driveline and break parts. 9 Second Club
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From: Lake Orion, MI
Re: people with the SY3500 I'll assume that you are running Nitto DRs. Best pressure range is typically 19-22lbs with them. I usually had the best results at 19.5 lbs. Get the DRs nice an smokey hot during your burnouts.
One thing you want to do when you are checking for the right launch is change one variable at a time. You don't want to play with pressure and play with launch RPMs at the same time.
I would recommend trying the 1100 hammer it flash approach first. Start the tires at 21 lbs. and drop a .5lbs each run until you get your best 60'. That will give you the best pressure. Then once you find that, try upping the RPMs 200 at a time to see where your best 60' is.
Rick
One thing you want to do when you are checking for the right launch is change one variable at a time. You don't want to play with pressure and play with launch RPMs at the same time.
I would recommend trying the 1100 hammer it flash approach first. Start the tires at 21 lbs. and drop a .5lbs each run until you get your best 60'. That will give you the best pressure. Then once you find that, try upping the RPMs 200 at a time to see where your best 60' is.
Rick