4000 stall? come on in!!!
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average cost of stall is $725-$825 plus $30 for fluid so total is $850 max
average cost of cam is $590 cam kit (cam/springs(singles)/pushrods) standard kit
$100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
total cost is going to be $920
now if its a stock car no intake or exhaust your looking in the 2K range easy with out the tune
that dont seem like half the cost there
So, I could install a cam in my A4 and run mid-high 12s at around 112-114 on a 2.0 60' with the stock converter and shitty driveability. Or I could run a Yank PT4000 and run an 11.9 at 112.6 with stock driveability.
Decisions, decisions.
Decisions, decisions.
Wow you guys are asses for no reason. Did you even read what he said and base your answer on what he wanted or did you JUST jump to the conclusion of what you would do and screw what the OP said.
a 4000 stall is totally streetable untuned on a stock cam? You will put in writing that you believe a 4000 stall cam will not hit the rev limiter between shifts because that's what UNTUNED means.
100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
this stuff has NOTHING to do directly with a cam. It should be replaced because you already have the motor open, however if it's going to go out it will go out just as much on stock parts.
WTF does my ability to combine parts most people can't have to do with anything about a stall.
you can take a bone stock car with a stock cam, 2.73's put a stall in and run 11.9? That's amazing since the fastest stock ls1 car ever went was 12.9 and most run 13.6.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.
You know what screw it. Listen to all these people who can't read what you wrote and base their opinions on things that aren't.
Put a 4000 stall in on a stock cammed, untuned car.
Watch as it roasts the tires off the line not moving, finally starts to go a bit, then the cam peter's out until it shifts only to have it bounce off the rev limiter each time.
Yeah you'll be faster
Originally Posted by 01ssreda4
Thats probably the dumbest thing I have read all day. And the worst logic.
average cost of stall is $725-$825 plus $30 for fluid so total is $850 max
average cost of cam is $590 cam kit (cam/springs(singles)/pushrods) standard kit
$100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
total cost is going to be $920
now if its a stock car no intake or exhaust your looking in the 2K range easy with out the tune
that dont seem like half the cost there
average cost of cam is $590 cam kit (cam/springs(singles)/pushrods) standard kit
$100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
total cost is going to be $920
now if its a stock car no intake or exhaust your looking in the 2K range easy with out the tune
that dont seem like half the cost there
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
this stuff has NOTHING to do directly with a cam. It should be replaced because you already have the motor open, however if it's going to go out it will go out just as much on stock parts.
So, I could install a cam in my A4 and run mid-high 12s at around 112-114 on a 2.0 60' with the stock converter and shitty driveability. Or I could run a Yank PT4000 and run an 11.9 at 112.6 with stock driveability.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.
You know what screw it. Listen to all these people who can't read what you wrote and base their opinions on things that aren't.
Put a 4000 stall in on a stock cammed, untuned car.
Watch as it roasts the tires off the line not moving, finally starts to go a bit, then the cam peter's out until it shifts only to have it bounce off the rev limiter each time.
Yeah you'll be faster
Last edited by Aaron91RS; Dec 23, 2009 at 02:46 PM.
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you can take a bone stock car with a stock cam, 2.73's put a stall in and run 11.9? That's amazing since the fastest stock ls1 car ever went was 12.9 and most run 13.6.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.
Tune not being the issue here, I ran my 3200 with a stock cam and there was still dead spots between shifts. LS cars do not fall on their face in upper rpms, but rather power levels off. You can spin a factory cam to 6500 and although you wont be building power it will still be doing a decent job at maintaining the power its already made. I admit a 4K is about that max I would recommend for a stock cam and some will call it a little excessive, but like most in time we mod more. The OP wont make the mistake I did and wish he had bought a bigger converter the first time around. A 4k stall opens you up to all kinds of cam choices later on down the road. A 3000, not so much.
O and
Last edited by 01ssreda4; Dec 23, 2009 at 03:17 PM.
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Try not to spread uneducated information, could make someone spend a lot of unneeded or wasteful money.
oh wait all you can do is **** talk because you just repeat what everyone else says.
Will a 4000 untuned perform better a 3000 untuned? Hell yes it will, even hitting the rev limiter.
Its not like you are going to sit there and bounce off the rev limiter 10 times, it will hit 2-3 times and shift, if it hits at all..
I'm sure he can find someone to bump his shift points up for next to nothing on a hand held.
Repeat what everyone else says..
Thats why half the people in this thread I have argued with about **** before, right? !!! Ls1s like big stalls, regardless of cam... A stock cam car will love a 4000 converter just like a full bolt on 226 cam only application or a H/C ms4 car.
uh tune IS an issue here, so you prove my point you just ignore what the OP says and give advice based on what you want stuff to be.
If he's not going to tune it, you can't run a 4000 stall without issues of hitting the rev limiter. No matter how much you just want to throw in a tune it's not what the OP said.
But if we somehow do ignore what he said? What a tune going to cost? Now add that to the price of a stall before any cost comparisons are made to the price/performance of other mods.
For crying out loud I have an expensive vig. I have an even more expensive yank on order yet you guys act like I have no appreciation for a stall.
If the guy is SO concerned about streetability he won't even get a small cam WTF do you think he is going to think about a 4000 stall?
Not everybody is going for an 11sec car, but most people can't make the distinction on here when giving advice.
But hey thanks for ripping me up. You all have a Merry Christmas
If he's not going to tune it, you can't run a 4000 stall without issues of hitting the rev limiter. No matter how much you just want to throw in a tune it's not what the OP said.
But if we somehow do ignore what he said? What a tune going to cost? Now add that to the price of a stall before any cost comparisons are made to the price/performance of other mods.
For crying out loud I have an expensive vig. I have an even more expensive yank on order yet you guys act like I have no appreciation for a stall.
If the guy is SO concerned about streetability he won't even get a small cam WTF do you think he is going to think about a 4000 stall?
Not everybody is going for an 11sec car, but most people can't make the distinction on here when giving advice.
But hey thanks for ripping me up. You all have a Merry Christmas
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can you run a stall untuned? Yes
can you run a cam untuned? yes
Should you do either of those? No
Just bc you can doesnt mean you should.
Can he get by with a cam or 4k stall until he has tune money? Yes he can
can you run a cam untuned? yes
Should you do either of those? No
Just bc you can doesnt mean you should.
Can he get by with a cam or 4k stall until he has tune money? Yes he can
uh tune IS an issue here, so you prove my point you just ignore what the OP says and give advice based on what you want stuff to be.
If he's not going to tune it, you can't run a 4000 stall without issues of hitting the rev limiter. No matter how much you just want to throw in a tune it's not what the OP said.
But if we somehow do ignore what he said? What a tune going to cost? Now add that to the price of a stall before any cost comparisons are made to the price/performance of other mods.
For crying out loud I have an expensive vig. I have an even more expensive yank on order yet you guys act like I have no appreciation for a stall.
If the guy is SO concerned about streetability he won't even get a small cam WTF do you think he is going to think about a 4000 stall?
Not everybody is going for an 11sec car, but most people can't make the distinction on here when giving advice.
But hey thanks for ripping me up. You all have a Merry Christmas
If he's not going to tune it, you can't run a 4000 stall without issues of hitting the rev limiter. No matter how much you just want to throw in a tune it's not what the OP said.
But if we somehow do ignore what he said? What a tune going to cost? Now add that to the price of a stall before any cost comparisons are made to the price/performance of other mods.
For crying out loud I have an expensive vig. I have an even more expensive yank on order yet you guys act like I have no appreciation for a stall.
If the guy is SO concerned about streetability he won't even get a small cam WTF do you think he is going to think about a 4000 stall?
Not everybody is going for an 11sec car, but most people can't make the distinction on here when giving advice.
But hey thanks for ripping me up. You all have a Merry Christmas
I did not ignore what the OP said by any means.. And going off that, if you think I did, you did also.
Tune = 350$ for dyno and around 125$ for a mail order..
Converter = 500$ give or take depending on what you go with.
Still cheaper than a cam swap and more beneficial.
A 4000 converter is very similar to a 3000 under normal driving conditions.. At WOT is when the shine.
i do also have to ask here, but Aaron91RS, you seriously think the FASTEST stock LS1 ONLY went 12.9??? Have you looked at all at the stock internals list??? MANY MANY MANY cars in there MUCH faster then a 12.9 dude.......Alot of them in the 11.9's range... Do some research
i do also have to ask here, but Aaron91RS, you seriously think the FASTEST stock LS1 ONLY went 12.9??? Have you looked at all at the stock internals list??? MANY MANY MANY cars in there MUCH faster then a 12.9 dude.......Alot of them in the 11.9's range... Do some research
IIRC there are SI. cars in the 10s.
