witry

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average cost of stall is $725-$825 plus $30 for fluid so total is $850 max

average cost of cam is $590 cam kit (cam/springs(singles)/pushrods) standard kit
$100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
total cost is going to be $920

now if its a stock car no intake or exhaust your looking in the 2K range easy with out the tune

that dont seem like half the cost there

LS1 Sounds

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So, I could install a cam in my A4 and run mid-high 12s at around 112-114 on a 2.0 60' with the stock converter and shitty driveability. Or I could run a Yank PT4000 and run an 11.9 at 112.6 with stock driveability.

Decisions, decisions.

01ssreda4

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I wouldnt call any 4K stall stock driveability. Its just a small compromise for what you get in return.

1998MysticZ28

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I just ordered my yank ss4000 cant wait to put it in, 01ssreda4 I took your advice and bumped up from a 3600 to 4000

Marc 85Z28

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He's got a 3rd gen RS with a 6 speed... proof that two wrongs don't make a right.

FASTEDDIE Z

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Does a ss4000 have too much shift ext. for a stockish motor though ? ( stock cam )

P.S. sorry for the thread steal

Aaron91RS

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Wow you guys are asses for no reason. Did you even read what he said and base your answer on what he wanted or did you JUST jump to the conclusion of what you would do and screw what the OP said.

a 4000 stall is totally streetable untuned on a stock cam? You will put in writing that you believe a 4000 stall cam will not hit the rev limiter between shifts because that's what UNTUNED means.

100 timing set
$130 oil pump (since your there)
$50 gaskets
$50 fluid
this stuff has NOTHING to do directly with a cam. It should be replaced because you already have the motor open, however if it's going to go out it will go out just as much on stock parts.


WTF does my ability to combine parts most people can't have to do with anything about a stall.

you can take a bone stock car with a stock cam, 2.73's put a stall in and run 11.9? That's amazing since the fastest stock ls1 car ever went was 12.9 and most run 13.6.
So a stall will take a full second off? Then why are all the people on here only saying a stall is good for .2-.5 seconds.


You know what screw it. Listen to all these people who can't read what you wrote and base their opinions on things that aren't.
Put a 4000 stall in on a stock cammed, untuned car.
Watch as it roasts the tires off the line not moving, finally starts to go a bit, then the cam peter's out until it shifts only to have it bounce off the rev limiter each time.
Yeah you'll be faster

01ssreda4

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You will be thoroughly impressed with that converter. My 3200 was no match as far as all out performance when compared to the Yank. The shift extension is so good that when you shift you will actually feel a burst in speed going to the next gear as the converter works its magic

You cant run a 4k stall untuned. You cant run a 3200 untuned. And I never stated you could. I did however run my 3200 for 2 months untuned and it was OK. Not perfect by any means, some have better luck and some have worse. I was very lucky that I had minimal issues. I recommend a tune with any aftermarket converter.

A typical street cam, lets say a tr224 gives you about 40hp. That 40hp should equate to about .4 or so off your quarter mile time. A 4K stall with sticky tires will easily knock over 1 second off. End of story.

Tune not being the issue here, I ran my 3200 with a stock cam and there was still dead spots between shifts. LS cars do not fall on their face in upper rpms, but rather power levels off. You can spin a factory cam to 6500 and although you wont be building power it will still be doing a decent job at maintaining the power its already made. I admit a 4K is about that max I would recommend for a stock cam and some will call it a little excessive, but like most in time we mod more. The OP wont make the mistake I did and wish he had bought a bigger converter the first time around. A 4k stall opens you up to all kinds of cam choices later on down the road. A 3000, not so much.

O and

lemons12

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Took the words out of my mouth.

Try not to spread uneducated information, could make someone spend a lot of unneeded or wasteful money.

Aaron91RS

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still waiting for someone to tell me how hitting the rev limiter on an untuned car is going to help.

oh wait all you can do is **** talk because you just repeat what everyone else says.

lemons12

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Talk **** and repeat what everyone else says? I didn't even read this other page, maybe you should think about your insults before you go blurbing them.

Will a 4000 untuned perform better a 3000 untuned? Hell yes it will, even hitting the rev limiter.
Its not like you are going to sit there and bounce off the rev limiter 10 times, it will hit 2-3 times and shift, if it hits at all..
I'm sure he can find someone to bump his shift points up for next to nothing on a hand held.

Repeat what everyone else says.. Thats why half the people in this thread I have argued with about **** before, right? !!!

lemons12

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Ls1s like big stalls, regardless of cam... A stock cam car will love a 4000 converter just like a full bolt on 226 cam only application or a H/C ms4 car.

Aaron91RS

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uh tune IS an issue here, so you prove my point you just ignore what the OP says and give advice based on what you want stuff to be.

If he's not going to tune it, you can't run a 4000 stall without issues of hitting the rev limiter. No matter how much you just want to throw in a tune it's not what the OP said.
But if we somehow do ignore what he said? What a tune going to cost? Now add that to the price of a stall before any cost comparisons are made to the price/performance of other mods.

For crying out loud I have an expensive vig. I have an even more expensive yank on order yet you guys act like I have no appreciation for a stall.

If the guy is SO concerned about streetability he won't even get a small cam WTF do you think he is going to think about a 4000 stall?
Not everybody is going for an 11sec car, but most people can't make the distinction on here when giving advice.
But hey thanks for ripping me up. You all have a Merry Christmas

01ssreda4

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can you run a stall untuned? Yes
can you run a cam untuned? yes

Should you do either of those? No

Just bc you can doesnt mean you should.

Can he get by with a cam or 4k stall until he has tune money? Yes he can

lemons12

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So if you have to get a tune with either, why not get the best converter? A 4000 is going to outperform a 3000 in pretty much any NA setup.
I did not ignore what the OP said by any means.. And going off that, if you think I did, you did also.
Tune = 350$ for dyno and around 125$ for a mail order..
Converter = 500$ give or take depending on what you go with.

Still cheaper than a cam swap and more beneficial.

A 4000 converter is very similar to a 3000 under normal driving conditions.. At WOT is when the shine.

01FbTaWs6

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i do also have to ask here, but Aaron91RS, you seriously think the FASTEST stock LS1 ONLY went 12.9??? Have you looked at all at the stock internals list??? MANY MANY MANY cars in there MUCH faster then a 12.9 dude.......Alot of them in the 11.9's range... Do some research

lemons12

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I'm sure he meant bone stock, as in no mods whatsoever.. Although, 12.9 is still not correct it is understandable.

IIRC there are SI. cars in the 10s.

FASTEDDIE Z

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Thanks , just ordered a ss4000

lemons12

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No problem, don't forget your cooler!

FASTEDDIE Z

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No thanks , I dont drink and drive .
Just kidding ! got to keep it cool