4l60E Transmission difference 6 cyl
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I bought a new separator plate and I noticed that the hole for the check ball that is next to the 1-2 Shift feed hole is smaller than all the other check ball holes.
Is this normal ? Do I need to open it up?
Thanks
Waid
Is this normal ? Do I need to open it up?
Thanks
Waid
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Thank you all. I completed the shift kit install. This was my first time and it was a good learning opportunity!
I will be posting my complete swap soon. As soon as I am able to drive the truck, I will post my results.
Waid
I will be posting my complete swap soon. As soon as I am able to drive the truck, I will post my results.
Waid
I just answered your pm at s10 forum.
What are you doing here? Thats a TF320 filter for a shallow pan?
How would I know? I just put the pan on the trans I'm building for my Z28 and was test fitting this deep aluminum $10 junkyard pan. It has stand offs so it uses the shallow pan filter. I'm not using it on this one though. I took a pic for future reference.
Coincidence
What are you doing here? Thats a TF320 filter for a shallow pan?
How would I know? I just put the pan on the trans I'm building for my Z28 and was test fitting this deep aluminum $10 junkyard pan. It has stand offs so it uses the shallow pan filter. I'm not using it on this one though. I took a pic for future reference.
Coincidence
Last edited by Jays_SSZ28; Jan 30, 2018 at 07:57 PM.
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I just answered your pm at s10 forum.
What are you doing here? Thats a TF320 filter for a shallow pan?
How would I know? I just put the pan on the trans I'm building for my Z28 and was test fitting this deep aluminum $10 junkyard pan. It has stand offs so it uses the shallow pan filter. I'm not using it on this one though. I took a pic for future reference.
Coincidence
What are you doing here? Thats a TF320 filter for a shallow pan?
How would I know? I just put the pan on the trans I'm building for my Z28 and was test fitting this deep aluminum $10 junkyard pan. It has stand offs so it uses the shallow pan filter. I'm not using it on this one though. I took a pic for future reference.
Coincidence
I bought the Pioneer 745174 Transmission Filter which is for a 2-7/8 pan 4L60E and bunch of other applications.
I replaced my V6 4L60E deep oil pan with one from Tahoe which has a drain plug.
Waid
Last edited by waid786; Jan 3, 2018 at 11:54 AM.
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Verdad Gallardo Your filter and my filter both have D17 stamped on them. They are probably made by the same manufacturer and packaged with a different name.
I just commented because I took the same picture that day.
FWIW if you put a shallow filter on a deep pan application the filter will hit the dipstick stop and not seat properly.
I had a deep pan dipstick stop on mine and had to change it because I'm using a shallow pan. I have seen shallow pan filters installed with deep pans. Sometimes they fall off....
Last edited by Jays_SSZ28; Jan 30, 2018 at 07:57 PM.
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I have a deep pan with a drain plug which I came out of a 2002 Tahoe. The original pan was also a deep pan.
The dip stick does not hit the filter. I ordered TransGo 2nd Gear Heavy Duty Aluminum Accumulator Piston to replace the plastic one. I will install it this upcoming weekend and re-verify the filter. I hear that plastic piston is not good idea with shift kit. I do have a deep pan dipstick stop on mine
By the way, I could not use the Tahoe's dipstick tube since it was between the right cylinder head and firewall where this is only 1/8" space left. Plan B.
Not sure if I asked you or not but do you also have S10?
Waid
The dip stick does not hit the filter. I ordered TransGo 2nd Gear Heavy Duty Aluminum Accumulator Piston to replace the plastic one. I will install it this upcoming weekend and re-verify the filter. I hear that plastic piston is not good idea with shift kit. I do have a deep pan dipstick stop on mine
By the way, I could not use the Tahoe's dipstick tube since it was between the right cylinder head and firewall where this is only 1/8" space left. Plan B.
Not sure if I asked you or not but do you also have S10?
Waid
I have an s10 with a 5.3
I just answered your pm about the transmission dipstick tube on s10 forum.
Only picture I have is of it installed.
I do know for a fact that it came out of a 1999 silverado 4x2 with a 5.3.
ACTUALLY I do have one picture of it.
This is not the 5.3 or transmission I used, I sold this stuff or threw it away 6 years ago.
But I know this is the dipstick.
I just answered your pm about the transmission dipstick tube on s10 forum.
Only picture I have is of it installed.
I do know for a fact that it came out of a 1999 silverado 4x2 with a 5.3.
ACTUALLY I do have one picture of it.
This is not the 5.3 or transmission I used, I sold this stuff or threw it away 6 years ago.
But I know this is the dipstick.
Last edited by Jays_SSZ28; Jan 30, 2018 at 07:57 PM.
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When GM came out with the deep pan in 1998 for C/K trucks, The filter looked the same from the bottom as the shallow pan filter....But the neck was longer & it had a plastic "fence" to space the filter down into the pan.
Later on (right around the time the 4L65E came out in 2001)....The all plastic filter replaced the Metal/Plastic-Fence filter.
I highly recommend running a quality OE style filter like GM part# 24208576 that also comes with a OE gasket that doesn't leak like the aftermarket Cork & Rubber gaskets do.
The Pioneer 745174 isn't wrong per say, Just cheap obsolete junk that probably doesn't meet 1998 OE standards.
Later on (right around the time the 4L65E came out in 2001)....The all plastic filter replaced the Metal/Plastic-Fence filter.
I highly recommend running a quality OE style filter like GM part# 24208576 that also comes with a OE gasket that doesn't leak like the aftermarket Cork & Rubber gaskets do.
The Pioneer 745174 isn't wrong per say, Just cheap obsolete junk that probably doesn't meet 1998 OE standards.
I used to like the SPX Filtrans that said made in the USA on them. Now they all look the same. Nothing specific on the filter, only difference is the package.
Perfect example here. I have the dualast, he has the pioneer. Both have the same exact D17 stamped on the metal.
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I have an s10 with a 5.3
I just answered your pm about the transmission dipstick tube on s10 forum.
Only picture I have is of it installed.
I do know for a fact that it came out of a 1999 silverado 4x2 with a 5.3.
ACTUALLY I do have one picture of it.
This is not the 5.3 or transmission I used, I sold this stuff or threw it away 6 years ago.
But I know this is the dipstick.
I just answered your pm about the transmission dipstick tube on s10 forum.
Only picture I have is of it installed.
I do know for a fact that it came out of a 1999 silverado 4x2 with a 5.3.
ACTUALLY I do have one picture of it.
This is not the 5.3 or transmission I used, I sold this stuff or threw it away 6 years ago.
But I know this is the dipstick.
Look at my motor mounts. Not sure if the motor is sitting too high or not but the header just clears the ac box and steering shaft with out any mods.
Waid
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Why does the duralast filter at $9 look exactly like the AC Delco filter at $44?
I used to like the SPX Filtrans that said made in the USA on them. Now they all look the same. Nothing specific on the filter, only difference is the package.
Perfect example here. I have the dualast, he has the pioneer. Both have the same exact D17 stamped on the metal.
I used to like the SPX Filtrans that said made in the USA on them. Now they all look the same. Nothing specific on the filter, only difference is the package.
Perfect example here. I have the dualast, he has the pioneer. Both have the same exact D17 stamped on the metal.
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Due to personal family situation, my truck sat and finally got around finishing it. The transmission shifts great 1-2, 2-3. It does shift in to 4 but the shift from 3-4 is lazy. With hard throttle, the RPM shoots up. If I baby the throttle it seems to be fine. I does not feel like its shifting back in to third.
Is it slipping in 4th? What could I have done wrong with the shift kit?
Thanks
Waid
Is it slipping in 4th? What could I have done wrong with the shift kit?
Thanks
Waid
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Since you say the trans shifts great 2->3, the 3/4 clutch is working well, which is good news.
The 3->4 shift will always feel the softest, partly due to physics, but also because unless you are driving at 125+ MPH, the 3->4 shift will be at partial throttle.
However if you determine the 4th gear is slipping, this is nearly always related to a servo problem. While a bad servo seal or cracked 4th gear piston are possibilities, I suggest first checking the servo end play. End play over about 0.175" will lead to slippage in either 2nd gear, 4th gear or both. The most likely cause of excessive end play is a worn band. The spec for end play is 0.075" to 0.125"; some people have reported slippage at around 0.175, others not until 0.225.
I have documented how to lengthen the servo pin to get a bit more life out of the trans, but it will be time to start saving up for a trans rebuild.
A slipping 4th immediately after a rebuild is likely due to a bad/mis-assembled seal in the servo, a worn out servo bore, or a cracked 4th gear piston. It is easy to install the 4th piston the wrong way, but IIRC you then have no 4th gear at all.
The 3->4 shift will always feel the softest, partly due to physics, but also because unless you are driving at 125+ MPH, the 3->4 shift will be at partial throttle.
However if you determine the 4th gear is slipping, this is nearly always related to a servo problem. While a bad servo seal or cracked 4th gear piston are possibilities, I suggest first checking the servo end play. End play over about 0.175" will lead to slippage in either 2nd gear, 4th gear or both. The most likely cause of excessive end play is a worn band. The spec for end play is 0.075" to 0.125"; some people have reported slippage at around 0.175, others not until 0.225.
I have documented how to lengthen the servo pin to get a bit more life out of the trans, but it will be time to start saving up for a trans rebuild.
A slipping 4th immediately after a rebuild is likely due to a bad/mis-assembled seal in the servo, a worn out servo bore, or a cracked 4th gear piston. It is easy to install the 4th piston the wrong way, but IIRC you then have no 4th gear at all.
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Is there anything I should check in the valve body?
I did install the corvette servo and another spring that came in the Transgo HD2 kit so there is possibility that I may have damaged something.
What about the gold band adjustment shims that came in the kit?
Thanks
