Which to do fist, Stall or Gears
Which to do fist, Stall or Gears My car is pretty much stock: Lid, K&N, and a Magnaflow exhaust. I'm not planning on doing anything other than bolt-ons.
Which would give me the best performance boost? A stall or gears?
As for the gears, I'm going to go from 2:73's to 3:73's
As for the stall, I'm thinking about going with a 3200, but I am willing to go a bit bigger.
I do quite a bit of driving and I don't really mind taking a hit on the gas mileage as long as it comes with a great performance increase.
What do you guys say?
Which would give me the best performance boost? A stall or gears?
As for the gears, I'm going to go from 2:73's to 3:73's
As for the stall, I'm thinking about going with a 3200, but I am willing to go a bit bigger.
I do quite a bit of driving and I don't really mind taking a hit on the gas mileage as long as it comes with a great performance increase.
What do you guys say?
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This question is as old as LS1tech. Do a search on threads titled "stall or gears" and you'll get a good twenty threads to read. You'll find that 90% of guys say "stall" because of the huge performance increase.
Personally I did gears first because my car was and is a DD and the 2.73's were way too sluggish for me. Went to 3.42's and they made a huge difference in driveability. I went with a stall later and that gave the big performance increase. I wouldn't want to daily drive a car with 2.73's and a loose converter, but some guys are fine with it. I'd say get the converter first, and if it feels too loose for you, then get lower gears.
Personally I did gears first because my car was and is a DD and the 2.73's were way too sluggish for me. Went to 3.42's and they made a huge difference in driveability. I went with a stall later and that gave the big performance increase. I wouldn't want to daily drive a car with 2.73's and a loose converter, but some guys are fine with it. I'd say get the converter first, and if it feels too loose for you, then get lower gears.
Thanks for all the advice. I went ahead and searched the forums for additional info.
A topic that keeps coming up is the car feeling "Loose" with 2:73 gears and a stall. What does that Mean?
Thanks
A topic that keeps coming up is the car feeling "Loose" with 2:73 gears and a stall. What does that Mean?
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A higher stall converter (3600-4000) will feel some what sloppy with the 2.73 gears compared to the 3.42s or 3.73s. With 3.73 gears will make the converter feel more responsive to the touch of the gas pedal if that makes sense.
Either way the converter would be the first change along with a good transmission cooler.
Either way the converter would be the first change along with a good transmission cooler.
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2.73's here with a 3600 and it is surprisingly tight 
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I had asked this question 4 yrs ago. Surprisingly it was about a 60/40 with more saying stall for performance...but gears for a huge sotp with daily.driving. I went ahead and did gears first and Im glad I did. 2.73s straight up suck ***..GMs pitch for a gas friendly ls1. The 2nd into 3rd gear lag drove me crazy. Couldn`t even do a burnout without footbraking. After the 3.73 swap my car "felt" 2x faster, throws your head back in your seat throughout the whole rpm range...funner by far to dd. Now that I do have a stall, I know what everyone had meant. Mash the gas and your gone, throws you right into your power band. But yes, with 2.73s you will have a loose stall (you have to mash the gas pedal more to get going) and I would reccomend a 3600 at the least.
A better converter and some tuning of shiftpoints is
most of what you need. Since you ought to be able
to spin the tires into 2nd with either 3.23s, 3.42s or
upward there's not much upside to the higher ratios
unless you have a line on alien tire technology.
most of what you need. Since you ought to be able
to spin the tires into 2nd with either 3.23s, 3.42s or
upward there's not much upside to the higher ratios
unless you have a line on alien tire technology.
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I had asked this question 4 yrs ago. Surprisingly it was about a 60/40 with more saying stall for performance...but gears for a huge sotp with daily.driving. I went ahead and did gears first and Im glad I did. 2.73s straight up suck ***..GMs pitch for a gas friendly ls1. The 2nd into 3rd gear lag drove me crazy. Couldn`t even do a burnout without footbraking. After the 3.73 swap my car "felt" 2x faster, throws your head back in your seat throughout the whole rpm range...funner by far to dd. Now that I do have a stall, I know what everyone had meant. Mash the gas and your gone, throws you right into your power band. But yes, with 2.73s you will have a loose stall (you have to mash the gas pedal more to get going) and I would reccomend a 3600 at the least.
Obviously, if you already have to remove the trans, then update the converter.
My car is pretty much stock: Lid, K&N, and a Magnaflow exhaust. I'm not planning on doing anything other than bolt-ons.
Which would give me the best performance boost? A stall or gears?
As for the gears, I'm going to go from 2:73's to 3:73's
As for the stall, I'm thinking about going with a 3200, but I am willing to go a bit bigger.
I do quite a bit of driving and I don't really mind taking a hit on the gas mileage as long as it comes with a great performance increase.
What do you guys say?
Which would give me the best performance boost? A stall or gears?
As for the gears, I'm going to go from 2:73's to 3:73's
As for the stall, I'm thinking about going with a 3200, but I am willing to go a bit bigger.
I do quite a bit of driving and I don't really mind taking a hit on the gas mileage as long as it comes with a great performance increase.
What do you guys say?
I've gone from 2.56 to 3.08 to 3.42 gears and while it was always a good improvement, but NOTHING else I've done to the car even remotely compares to the stall.
I would do a stall first if I had it to do over. I wish I had never waited on the converter.
I would do a stall first if I had it to do over. I wish I had never waited on the converter.
Same here, the only time I dislike the 2.73s is taking off and I'm used to it feeling a little looser.
Again, 2.73's suck. Get the gears first. You wont believe the difference going to 3.73's. I agree a stall is one of the best bang for the buck mods and what I usually would go with first but...2.73's suck! Did I mention 2.73's suck?