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Old Sep 13, 2016 | 10:27 PM
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First, I have limited transmission experience so the information you see here may very well be incorrect. However, I wanted to share this thread so other members could see what it takes to build a moderately heavy duty 4L60E. So if you follow along, do so at your own risk.

Let's get started... Here is my dirty garage where I play with cool stuff. You can see the orange 4l60e case on the trans fixture. There are plenty of good resources which show in detail how to tear down the 4l60e transmission so this thread will only show the build up.
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Here are some pictures of my homemade transmission fixture. So far it has worked very well. I would be happy to share the prints for this fixture if anyone would like to build their own.
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This is the case right after it was cleaned in the parts washer with solvent. Then dried with compressed air. Paint job sucks huh?
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Low/Reverse Piston goes in first, light coat of trans gel. There is a tab on the backside of the piston which keys into the receiving notch in the transmission case.
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Low/Reverse Piston installed. It takes some pressure to seat but I was able to apply steady pressure and the piston finally clunked into place. You will know when the piston is seated, there is a positive stop when the piston slides into place.
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Piston return spring cage and snap ring:
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Spring cage compressor tool:
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Spring cage in place before being compressed:
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Spring cage compressor tool in the case, this allows you to install the snap ring which retains the piston and spring cage in the case.
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Output ring gear, hub, and bearing go in next.
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Place the bearing in the case, make sure the orientation of the bearing is correct.
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Output ring gear installed and spins nicely:
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5 Pinion rear planetary and bearing:
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Set the bearing on the output hub, and drop in the planetary gear set:
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Low/Reverse clutch installation, wavy steel goes in first:
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Begin with a steel, alternate with frictions until stack is complete:
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Last plate should be a friction:
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Case Silencer install:
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Low roller clutch housing with heavy duty borg warner sprag. Notice the inner race of the roller clutch, this part is included with the Sonnax smart shell kit.
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Indexed with the case and installed:
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Case snap ring installed:
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Drop in the rear sun gear:
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Sonnax Smart Shell and bearing:
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Old washer style reaction shaft upgraded to bearing style:
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Dropping in the reaction shaft and ring gear:
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Installed reaction shaft and ring gear, ready for front planetary gear set:
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5 Pinion front planetary gear set(early style to match reaction shaft):
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Installed front planetary:
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Time to install the output shaft:
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Output shaft installed with snap ring:
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Now on to assembling the Sonnax Smart-Tech input drum...
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Old Sep 13, 2016 | 11:28 PM
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Sonnax Smart-Tech Input Drum, new 300mm input shaft and sleeve retainer compound:
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Input shaft has a double spline to align the shaft and drum properly:
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Here you can see where it keys into the input drum:
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Sleeve retainer applied, shaft keyed into place and sitting on the hydraulic press:
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Input shaft fully seated into the drum:
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Input drum reinforcement sleeve with alignment dot for over run feed relief:
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Here you can see the over run clutch feed hole, this is where the notch in the sleeve sits:
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Sleeve aligned before being pressed onto the drum:
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Sleeve I made to support the input drum properly on the press:
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1-1/2" 12pt socket works perfect to press the sleeve on:
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Sleeve pressed onto the drum with green loctite:
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New input drum O-ring:
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Input drum pre lubed with trans gel before pistons go in:
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3-4 piston:
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3-4 piston installed:
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Forward piston and housing:
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3-4 Apply basket and return spring cage with transgo yellow springs. Spring cage tabs removed:
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Entire assembly ready to drop into the input drum:
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Sonnax billet over run piston:
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Over run return spring cage:
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Install tool needed for stiffer transgo springs:
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Spring cage compressor:
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With the cage compressed, install the snap ring:
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Make sure the snap ring is seated fully and sits inside the retaining bosses on the spring cage face:
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Old Sep 14, 2016 | 12:09 AM
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Over run clutches, steel goes first then alternate frictions and steels:
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Install the drum sealing ring and bearing:
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Borg warner 29 element dual cage forward sprag:
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Forward sprag assembly:
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Forward clutch apply plate:
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Forward clutch wavy steel first:
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Forward clutch stack up, steel first then alternate frictions:
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Forward clutch pressure plate:
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Sonnax billet 3-4 clutch apply ring:
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(9).067" BW high energy frictions and (8).078" steels in the drum to check clearance:
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When testing the drum the clearance of the 3-4 clutch pack was .030" dry(yes I am aware this clearance is tight):
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Load release boost springs from Sonnax:
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Adjusted the clearance with two .062" BW frictions, for .040" clearance dry. Completed input drum:
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Input shaft solid teflon sealing ring installation:
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Resizing tool:
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New teflon seals installed: **NOTE: The torington bearing seen here is sitting upside down, the black bearing face should be sitting up**
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Going to skip the reverse input drum, I had no reason to disassemble mine, this drum is brand new since the installation of the kevlar wide band:
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Completed drum assembly:
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Drums sitting in the case:
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Reverse input drum height when 3-4 clutches are fully splined on the ring gear:
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Sonnax Kevlar Wide Band:
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Band installed but not anchored yet:
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Band anchor hole, you can see it is not aligned yet:
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Now the band anchor hole is lined up:
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Install the band anchor:
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Band anchor fully seated:
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Band fully installed without servos:
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Thats it for tonight guys, still waiting on pump and valve body gaskets to get here. I will continue as the parts arrive. Next I will show the pump assembly with Sonnax boost valve, hardened pump rings, pump alignment, pump install, valve body install with separator plate drilling and pinless accumulator pistons, check ***** and whatever else I forgot... Cya then.
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Old Sep 14, 2016 | 08:52 AM
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Whew, that seems like a lot of work. Nice pics.
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Old Sep 14, 2016 | 11:38 AM
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Do you have a part/price list? How much did the specialty tools run you?
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Originally Posted by ggk
Do you have a part/price list? How much did the specialty tools run you?
I am in the process of creating the parts list, it is pretty extensive. The tools were 25 dollars a piece.
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Old Sep 14, 2016 | 09:08 PM
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Wow!
Thank you so much for the great pictures; its something I wanted to do and never got to.
What camera did you use.

I'll definitely make this a sticky when I have some time to reorganize things next week.
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Originally Posted by mrvedit
Wow!
Thank you so much for the great pictures; its something I wanted to do and never got to.
What camera did you use.

I'll definitely make this a sticky when I have some time to reorganize things next week.
I second this! Damn nice thread so far.

Good luck dude

Is this your first rebuild? ( Does not seem like it )
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Thanks guys for the positive feed back... this is my 3rd 4l60e rebuild so I am comfortable with this platform. My gaskets will be here friday so I will update this thread with the pump and valve body info then.
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Originally Posted by mrvedit
Wow!
Thank you so much for the great pictures; its something I wanted to do and never got to.
What camera did you use.

I'll definitely make this a sticky when I have some time to reorganize things next week.
Ted, believe it or not these pics came from my cell phone. Its a samsung galaxy note 4.
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Good build man..but one question have you had good success using the transgo high rev kit(7-CS) and the 3/4 return springs at the same time?
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Nice work...
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Originally Posted by GMCSIERRA5.3
Good build man..but one question have you had good success using the transgo high rev kit(7-CS) and the 3/4 return springs at the same time?
I know the transgo instructions say to throw them out but since I have the sonnax input drum and the 3-4 clearance is on the tight side, I really don't want the frictions dragging so I chose to install them both. I also plan on running a healthy 240 psi of line pressure because I feel with the 3-4 snap ring eliminated I can bump up the pressure some to help get some muscle back that I lost with the transgo springs.

To answer your question directly, I have not run them together before. This may not be the best idea, but they're just clutches. If they burn up they can be replaced.
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I estimate the 3/4 return springs only reduces the piston pressure by about 5 lbs, but lets say 10 lbs.
I also estimate the 3/4 piston area at 4 sq in, which when multiplied by even a 200 psi line pressure means the piston has 800 lbs of force, minus the return cage pressure (stock of 50 lbs ??) and the 3/4 return springs of 10 lbs.

The stiff Transgo return-cage springs more than double the pressure (100+ lbs ??), but as Texas says, the TG/Sonnax boost valve increases the line pressure by more than enough to overcome the stiffer springs. Nonetheless I use only half of the stiffer Transgo return-cage spring and half stock springs. The pros all find that a bit odd, but it has worked for me.

Also the Sonnax Smart Tech input drum instructions not only say to use the 3/4 return springs, but it comes with special longer ones to fit the drum.

IMHO the 3/4 return springs don't reduce the piston pressure enough to worry about, but might reduce dragging between tight frictions.
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Old Oct 6, 2016 | 05:06 AM
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Great thread, thanks for sharing. Looking forward to seeing the rest of it.
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Old Oct 6, 2016 | 09:21 PM
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This thread is exactly what I have been looking for as far as assembly goes. It also has just about 100% of the same parts I want to use if I do go forward and build a 60. I am trying to decide if I should do this, or just rebuild my 80, and go that route. Thanks for such a detailed build!
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Nice thread!!!

It's nice to see detailed pictures with modern parts too!

The pictures in some of the old threads have disappeared as members have moved on. Keep up the great work!
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Agreed, very nice. This thread would give a first timer something solid to actually look at.

I still thank auto's are made with voodoo, I'd be scared to open one up.
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