This is true. But shifting to 2nd with low revs, or even starting the burnout in 2nd eliminates that issue. An 80E drum helps too.

 

Thats only when you don't know how to drive and you used an intermediate roller instead of a sprag.

 

So now instead of letting the computer do the work of keeping the transmission alive....the driver has to have special instructions on what they can and can't do in their car. "This is 2020 let's use technology".

 

Yea, same as stopping at stop signs, not running into other cars, turning the steering wheel, you get the idea.

On second thought, what special instructions are needed?

I guess I'm just too old, I've driven cars with no rev limiters, no speed limiters, no "special instructions to keep the transmission alive", no torque management, no seat belt reminders, no airbags, no neutral safety switches, no internet influence, EVEN WHEN I WAS A STUPID 16 YEAR OLD.
And I never had a failure related to not having any of these safety features.

Some people just don't get it, I know, some people think a stage 10, billet, micro polished internal transmission can be neutral dropped probably. How much hand holding do people need these days....

The best thing about torque management is you can make a **** transmission live even when you drive it like a ******* retard.

 

Is that a bad thing?

 

If you have to worry about coming out of a burnout and not blowing your trans....that IS a special instruction. And LOLWTF to comparing to a stop sign. Arguments just getting worse. You can't have it both ways that you wish it was the good ol days but want 2020 tech. News flash torque management IS new tech compared to a full mechanical transmission and it does make them live longer. End of story.

 

Does .5 seconds of reduced torque (pulled timing) really slow the ET that much ? Seems to me most of that extra energy would be going into heating the clutch plates anyways.
Kinda like powershifting a manual trans (no throttle lift). Really hard on the clutch with a big power engine. After burning 2 clutches and breaking a syncro in my T56, I decided I was too old to be doing that anymore.

Heres my 500HP 4000LB truck leaving badly at the strip. Off/on the gas , spinnin aint winnin, But shifts are clean and fast !

 

Well no actually. You haven't lived until you've beat on your transmission driving like a retard.

 

Yea.
Are you satisfied running 11.4 when you could shave off 1/2 second and be in the 10's?
Why port a throttle body? Why port heads? Why use an aftermarket air intake, or intake manifold? Why run race brakes? Why run headers? etc, etc, etc.

Well because (these don't correspond to the examples listed).1+.4+.2+.5+.4+.8= 2.4 seconds. Thats making a 12 second car a 10 second car.

 

Well, then I suggest that you port your heads, get an aftermarket intake, port your throttle body and get race brakes. Maybe then you won't have to worry about looking over at the 1000ft mark, and see a guy driving a cam only 4th gen staring at you.

 

It's kind of common sense if you understand why it breaks.

Would someone be worried about Torque management in a 3000 pound 300 hp truck with a 4L80E? No.
You either overbuild the transmission or you take your big hp engine and choke it down so your weak transmission can live.

You're confused because all the transmission builders love it because it's less of a chance of a call back, warranty repair, losing money, etc,someone even said they prefer their customers leave it in. I'm not saying it makes the car faster without it, I'm saying a transmission thats built to handle the power can live without it.

You don't build transmissions for 800 horsepower to be put behind 800 horsepower. If you have 800 hp your transmission should be built for 1000 and you won't give a damn about torque management. Are you going faster with tm? then you have a problem.

 

You missed the point entirely.

The guy said torque management is worth 1/2 second. My point is you add that 1/2 second to every other little thing you do and it adds up. that point 1 second throttle body porting doesn't sound like crap but when (if) you did 10 .1 second modifications thats a whole second faster you'd run.

 

No, I got the point. I just misquoted, I meant to take a shot at kfx

 

Man I thought about you today. I got this just for you. Not sure why. But I figured you could use it. (Hint, you full of **** lol)

 

At least my turbo'd car isn't getting out paced by cammed 4th gens. My car doesn't get mistaken for a Pontiac sunfire either

 

 

I could care less about all the transmission builders. I've never had a built 4l60e. All my experience is on BONE STOCK 4l60es and they never broke regardless of the power, tire, or leaving the shifter in D while racing. This cost $0. Racecar? Sure build the trans to the hilt to hold more power than you make, makes sense. Streetcar and don't want to spend money or lose overdrive or shove a 4l80 in? TM FTW.

 

Uggh, one of the most misquoted sayings in the world. It's "I COULDN'T care less". Saying you could care less implies that you indeed do care.

 

It’s not a sun fire dude, it’s a grand am and gran prix. Get it right. Lol.

I know man, I went to the track and mavn was there. His car went 11.10 and mine went 11.20. I was like damn. But then I realized all it had in the interior was a driver seat. So I felt a little bit better. But yea man, my car is slow. It’s ok tho. I’ll still sleep fine tonight. I can’t worry with trying to be the fastest. I worry about if I’m having fun or not, that’s all that matters to me. I had the fastest car around here (true street car, not drag car) about 20 years ago. Got out of it because I had three kids, bought a big new house and a bunch of other crap. Then decided to get back into to cars but staying on a budget. When you have a $1800 house note, a 2019 truck note, a $50k camper note, a shop note, three kids, two driving and had to buy them vehicles, and your wife has a 2019 Acura.....it’s kinda hard to sink big money into any projects. So slow it’s shall stay for now. If it runs a 10.50 this evening, I’ll be ecstatic. If it even runs a 10.80-10.90 I won’t be mad. I have other priorities than to sink my life savings into a car. If that’s what you like to do cool. If you make more money than me or have less bills than me and can afford more than I can, cool too. I’m just having fun with the junk I can afford. I guess I can look at it this way, at least I have a play car and a brand new daily driver. Some people barely have a car that gets them to work. What else you got for me? I got busy earlier and didn’t have much chance to go back and forth with you. I’ll post my slow *** time slip as I make runs so you can clown me and laugh and ****. Lol. We will have a good ole time making fun of myself. Lololol

 

No. That's not how it works. Its .5 seconds (If that - probably closer to .25) of reduced torque during the shift. Not .5 seconds of ET lost. The car is still accelerating forward. So presuming car is starting in 1st on the line, ending in 3rd at finish, You have 2 shifts. So less than 1 second total (much less) of reduced power. Not power OFF, just reduced.
Its not that much different to how some motorcycles shift at the strip (was that already mentioned in this thread ?) they use spark cut (all cyls) to momentarily kill torque 100% for clutchless shifting.