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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 04:11 PM
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I am having problems matching up a Sonnax 77733-11KA with a non-ISS 7KCD 2007 trans. I figured because of the non-ISS pump, it would use the 11KA. The pump uses the short boost valve and the rubber plug. Evidently (I think) this needs the teflon rings offset .190 towards the drum. Will the holes still fall between the teflon rings, just offset closer instead of centered, or do I need to find an earlier stator/pump with the early ring location AND a 2004 style wedge pump seal for the wedge seal case? Plus the 7-3/8" length! It's too late to exchange or return the 77733-11KA and i'm ready to assemble the trans...I bought a pump from Big Sky but everything's correct except the stator still had the large hole. BY THE WAY I think I need the pump on page 8 figure 2 of the ATSG 2009 Seminar...

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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 04:43 PM
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I am having problems matching up a Sonnax 77733-11KA with a non-ISS 7KCD 2007 trans. I figured because of the non-ISS pump, it would use the 11KA. The pump uses the short boost valve and the rubber plug. Evidently (I think) this needs the teflon rings offset .190 towards the drum. Will the holes still fall between the teflon rings, just offset closer instead of centered, or do I need to find an earlier stator/pump with the early ring location AND a 2004 style wedge pump seal for the wedge seal case? Plus the 7-3/8" length! It's too late to exchange or return the 77733-11KA and i'm ready to assemble the trans...I bought a pump from Big Sky but everything's correct except the stator still had the large hole. BY THE WAY I think I need the pump on page 8 figure 2 of the ATSG 2009 Seminar...

Any help would be appreciated.
Even though your pump does not have an ISS sensor it is still set up for the use of one. To use that stator support you will need an ISS input shaft or change the support. If I am wrong someone please correct me.
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 05:02 PM
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Even though your pump does not have an ISS sensor it is still set up for the use of one. To use that stator support you will need an ISS input shaft or change the support. If I am wrong someone please correct me.
Even the newer pump, I think an HA, Has the 2nd design boost valve, wedge sealing, no ISS plug/no hole drilled, but the stator has the big hole in the journal and sleeve. No way of knowing that from this description:
"GM - 74500HA, 4L65E, PUMP, WITH 2 PIECE CASE, 13 VANE, STATOR CAST # 672, 7 3/8" LONG STATOR TUBE, DOES NOT USE AN OUTER O-RING. THIS PART MAY FIT: CHEVROLET, GMC & BUICK...."

I tried to line up the 2 housings to show how little difference between early & late...look at the placement of the 3rd ring in relation to the lowest hole...

ring placement, late and early...
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 05:09 PM
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What are you calling the support? The stator shaft/tube, or the inside sleeve with the wrong hole? Thanks.
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by matermark
What are you calling the support? The stator shaft/tube, or the inside sleeve with the wrong hole? Thanks.
The shaft that is connected to the pump.
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The Pumps that have a Stator Support Tube, with an ISS-Hole (Sensor or Dummy-Plug)...
Need to use a Turbine-Shaft with the Sealing-Rings Positioned for the Pumps that I just mentioned...
It does not matter if the Turbine-Shaft uses Reluctor-Teeth or not (in terms of fitment).

However, if using the ISS... then there must also be Reluctor-Teeth.
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
The Pumps that have a Stator Support Tube, with an ISS-Hole (Sensor or Dummy-Plug)...
Need to use a Turbine-Shaft with the Sealing-Rings Positioned for the Pumps that I just mentioned...
It does not matter if the Turbine-Shaft uses Reluctor-Teeth or not (in terms of fitment).

However, if using the ISS... then there must also be Reluctor-Teeth.
It's going into a 2004 and I don't need ISS, so is there a wedge seal, 2nd design [shorter] boost valve, 7-3/8" stator/300mm V8 with NO internal ISS hole pump, and what is its fitment? (what do I order it as/for?) or can I piece it by ordering just the stator half or stator shaft? How difficult would it be to assemble? (for somebody who can't walk and no vehicle)
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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 09:12 PM
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OK, here's what I need, what application do you call it?

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Old Sep 15, 2021 | 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vorteciroc
The Pumps that have a Stator Support Tube, with an ISS-Hole (Sensor or Dummy-Plug)...
Need to use a Turbine-Shaft with the Sealing-Rings Positioned for the Pumps that I just mentioned...
It does not matter if the Turbine-Shaft uses Reluctor-Teeth or not (in terms of fitment).

However, if using the ISS... then there must also be Reluctor-Teeth.
In blue above sounds like the 2007 pump, but there were no external signs on the replacement HA pump--at least the '07 pump had the rubber plug. The HA pump needed some deep searching...

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Old Sep 16, 2021 | 09:32 AM
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Anybody know what the listing would be, what would I look it up as? Anybody? Bueller?
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A Pump for a Transmission pre-ISS, but uses a Hard-Seal...

-Front half = GM #24243749.
-Rear half = GM #12491421.
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Old Sep 18, 2021 | 12:57 PM
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Thanks. I'll look for those. Can I just add an older shaft to one of these two pumps I have? Or a Sonnax shaft?
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