It’s time to rebuild/replace 4l60e
I assume due to the higher idle speed though higher line might also affect converter operation, I did this as this part of the conversation interested me. But it seems the idle jumps a little I suppose to compensate for the energy requirements for the higher line in reverse?
I also went across the street and did the same the only thing that changed was with the surge of the cam 600 to 750 rpm it did slowly get the car moving every so slowly forward with each surge move it more.
Just some observations with my own car. Now bear in mind my car has a small torque cam and will idle quiet low while others with large cams would likely be much higher,
I also check my stock BIM seems factory desired idle on my car is 1000 rpm. I keep it lower as i like the semi choppy sound of the cam.
Just curious observations I just made.
Would greater line increase the pull I don't really know. Thicker oil as the OP mentioned certainly would. It would also slow clutch engagement assuming no leaks and proper regulation as thicker oil would slow the flow through the various orifices just as thinner would be quicker.
In my own car with an FTI 2800 TRIPLE DISC. at 650 to 700 rpm surging back and forth as it does I get no to moderate pull in D4 But certainly no hard pull and what little they is takes very little to stop or even a slight grade or bump. In rev however wither it the line increase or the RPM jump or both I am not sure. But it does indeed pull much more.
Just out of curiosity next time I have laptop plugged in I will command a higher line in D4 at idle and see just what does happen in this area.
Though hopefully soon I will be joining the HPTUNERS family as i am doing a 24x swap next month as I am tired of having such hard time getting a tune, asking for help with fuel tables I really do not understand with and competence and none understanding OBD1 and CATS TUNER to ask . Which also I think when I have and am using HP will help me be able to help those here with trans tuning questions and solutions better . My primary reason though for the swap is repeated issues with the optispark ever few months to a year since the factory one exploded at 220k miles and it seems all all the aftermarkets cheap or expensive seem to have about the same level of dependability and life span (not very long a few months to a year for me so far) and best I can tell even the reman GM are ifffy even though very high dollar and new GM simply no longer available.
Though all in all I think this area is the least worriesome for the OP as much as being annoyed / not used to the feel and action of a a performance trans with the Overun Mod which is not unique to my builds though my method is generally much simpler nor is mine the first as I have learned some other had played with it prior to myself 10 or so years ago and in fact SONNAX now offers a VALVE BODY with this function. Though there HD 2-3 valve did it prior but only in D3 . Though I think they came to the same conclusion I did that no one actually drive around in D3 or remembers to pull down when hitting it thus making its mostly pointless.
But the mod while making the sprag virtually indestructible (never seen a broken one with the FT OR MOD DONE TO DATE) Does indeed have the downside of a clunky 2-3 3-2 which is likely why even though you cans see in the VB design GM did consider it which is why it does easy to do. Is probably why they disable it in both D3 and D4 IT WAS NEVER ON IN D4 but was on in d3 3rd gear but off in D3 2ND gear and manual second gear . the annoyance factor varies from car to car with things affecting it from IDLE SPEED- REAR RATIO- ENGINE VACUUM PARTICULARLY WTH SPEED DENSITY and forced induction to settings for when the 3-2 happens and the 2-3 at near or zero throttle . In my own car the 3-2 happens real low at like 2 mph at 0 throttle so its light bump coming to a stop with 3.08 gears.
But I worked with guy who was geared 373 and super charged with speed density that dropped at 8 mph and between that and a massive pressure spike we saw during the downshift felt like someone hit him in the *** each time. We with great effort and time found the spike issues was the MAP sensor seeing Sudden Vac change during the downshift causing the trans pressure spike at the same moment .
He was able to solve it by doing something with the MAP table and lowering the low and 0 throttle 3-2 and raising the low 0 throttle 2-3 but sadly as with many questions here solved but the actual solution and method not shared I do not know what he did with the MAP to stop the spike.
Again sorry for the rant I always get carried away talking tech lol
To be clear, I'm not blaming your trans or trans modifications at all. I'm not really blaming the torque converter (FTI) itself either. I'm more likely thinking that something might not have gone correctly with the install (as it sounds like the shop botched some other aspects of this as well). Perhaps there was an issue with converter clearance that was either not corrected soon enough or not corrected properly. If clearance is a bit too loose, could it not lead to some of these issues (or cause an exaggeration of these issues)? As you mentioned earlier, most folks don't find your overrun mod to be so excessively harsh (especially how the OP described it initially being) and, based on my own experiences with this platform, I don't think that the idle behavior of that converter is completely normal. If clearance is a bit too much, it might not lead to immediate failure, but it certainly wouldn't be good to leave it that way. And I think an install error such as that could potentially lead to some (or maybe all) of the OP's concerns.
I guess I just have low confidence in the install shop based on what happened with the tail shaft seal and the fact that the OP seems to be having concerns that aren't (IMO) normal for the application. Sure, maybe he was, in fact, just expecting more of a "stock" feel, but it's also possible that the install wasn't done perfectly, leading to some exaggerated conditions.
Things to check though would be TSP, MAP and MAF sensors.
Still wondering what thoughts FTI has on that idle behavior. I suppose it could be "normal" for their converters, but it's certainly not normal for any of the several other brands I've ever used in this application.










