What convertor should I get?
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What convertor should I get? I have a 01 SS automatic transmission and 3.23 gears. What size of convertors are most used? Are there major differences in the vig and the yank? I wold appreciate any input or suggestions. Thanks
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Re: What convertor should I get? Hey thanks for the quick responses. I am new to all of this so please excuse my limited knowledge. What is a lock up switch and where would you guys recommend buying from. Thanks again
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Re: What convertor should I get? Well you can do it yourself or if you have a speedshop around the area you can have them install it...
It locks your converter on the Top end so you can get maximum HP...converters tend to drain the HP
It locks your converter on the Top end so you can get maximum HP...converters tend to drain the HP
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Re: What convertor should I get? by installing a manual lock up switch. let's say if you are racing a 1/4 mile. once your torque converter reaches maximum torque you can lock it up about middle of third gear to help give you maybe a few extra mph and maybe 1 tenth. it's kind of hard to explain. and as soon as you would let off the gas and hit the brakes you would unlock it immedietly to save your tranny. I am not to experienced with this either but I at least hope I helped out a bit.
Re: What convertor should I get? Before this gets out of hand, Whats your intentions with the car? Street racing, mostly street/some track, some street/mostly track or serious track little street. What kind of tires are you willing to run? What kind of rpms are you going to be able to deal with for normal take off speeds? Before you can take any of the previous suggestions these are the question that they should have asked before saying what ever converter they said. I know my converter is NOT for everybody and I don't take personal offense if you don't like my converter. Alot of people are too brand loyal which makes NO sense to me.
So let us know more about what you want and I'll get back to you <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Couple other things, For the Vig's don't be surprised if you go that route that they stall 400-500 rpm HIGHER that advertised. Plus unless you install this yourself the free stall change is a good thing to offer since most guys won't go through the expense of 1)either having the car sit at the shop until the converter gets back($$$$$) or 2) install the stock verter until the restalled converter comes back then get the stock one removed and put the restalled one back in(again $$$$$$) Also with the Yank you don't need a lock up switch since they're more efficient <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0">
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So let us know more about what you want and I'll get back to you <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0">
Couple other things, For the Vig's don't be surprised if you go that route that they stall 400-500 rpm HIGHER that advertised. Plus unless you install this yourself the free stall change is a good thing to offer since most guys won't go through the expense of 1)either having the car sit at the shop until the converter gets back($$$$$) or 2) install the stock verter until the restalled converter comes back then get the stock one removed and put the restalled one back in(again $$$$$$) Also with the Yank you don't need a lock up switch since they're more efficient <img src="images/icons/tongue.gif" border="0">
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Re: What convertor should I get? Great advice Bob2of3. <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> A lot of the newer guys don't understand what some of these converters are gonna do to their everyday driveability. While some may not mind the hassles of a 4000 stall around town, others think 3500 is too much. Of course i'm always on the conservative side but I believe 3200 to be the limit for every day driving. As mentioned though this is only my opinion.
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Re: What convertor should I get? a) vigs arent that inefficient (ask Trevor, he dyno'd with his 3200)
b) i will be taking advantage of a free stall change (depending on how you do it its cheaper than buying another one)
c) if the vig3200 is sub-standard to the magical yanks, why did mike make a ST-3800? seems pretty similar to me.
In no way am i starting a vig/yank war, i just wanted to offer a constrasting opinion to mr. thruster pro. cant have a one sided opinion, and most of the other posters i dont even think have autos (bigbos <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> ) oh, i daily drive, rain, sleet, or snow, on a Vigilante 3200 that may or may not stall higher. from a light i can easily keep the revs around 1500-2000rpm. or i can just mash it and walk into another lane and see forward out of the passenger side of the front windsheild and out the passenger window. oh and if you go to the track, ET Streets at a minimun...you could put on DR's, but dont waste your time. if you are a street racer, buy a super yank 3500-4000, theyll save your tires a bit and pull well from a roll.
just an opinion of course.
Ryan
b) i will be taking advantage of a free stall change (depending on how you do it its cheaper than buying another one)
c) if the vig3200 is sub-standard to the magical yanks, why did mike make a ST-3800? seems pretty similar to me.
In no way am i starting a vig/yank war, i just wanted to offer a constrasting opinion to mr. thruster pro. cant have a one sided opinion, and most of the other posters i dont even think have autos (bigbos <img src="images/icons/smile.gif" border="0"> ) oh, i daily drive, rain, sleet, or snow, on a Vigilante 3200 that may or may not stall higher. from a light i can easily keep the revs around 1500-2000rpm. or i can just mash it and walk into another lane and see forward out of the passenger side of the front windsheild and out the passenger window. oh and if you go to the track, ET Streets at a minimun...you could put on DR's, but dont waste your time. if you are a street racer, buy a super yank 3500-4000, theyll save your tires a bit and pull well from a roll.
just an opinion of course.
Ryan
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Re: What convertor should I get? I have an ST3500 and 2:73 gears. That's a little looser combo than many could probably tolerate.
It takes 3000+ rpm to start moving good from a dead stop, but I'm adapting to that pretty quickly.
Somewhere in the future I may go up with the gears to 3:42.
It takes 3000+ rpm to start moving good from a dead stop, but I'm adapting to that pretty quickly.
Somewhere in the future I may go up with the gears to 3:42.
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Re: What convertor should I get? Sorry guys, I’m not a vig fan. I’d say ST3500 for regular track use or a SY3500 for more regular street use. The ST will require some pretty sticky tires to grab though.
Re: What convertor should I get? I've owned 11 different converters in 4 different LS1 powered vehicles and from that I can draw a few conclusions.
1. Don't go with anything less than a Yank ST3500 or Vig 3200.
2. Lockup switches don't show any real gains in ET drop at the track unless you're geared to where you are on top of 3rd gear at the end of the 1/4 mile. With 3.23 gears, you'll only go slower...I've tested this out on MANY converters.
3. Do a converter swap before you attempt gears. The converter will give you 90% of the ET gain and the $ of gear swaps sometimes do not justify the incremental decrease in ET.
[ November 16, 2001: Message edited by: Patrick G ]</p>
1. Don't go with anything less than a Yank ST3500 or Vig 3200.
2. Lockup switches don't show any real gains in ET drop at the track unless you're geared to where you are on top of 3rd gear at the end of the 1/4 mile. With 3.23 gears, you'll only go slower...I've tested this out on MANY converters.
3. Do a converter swap before you attempt gears. The converter will give you 90% of the ET gain and the $ of gear swaps sometimes do not justify the incremental decrease in ET.
[ November 16, 2001: Message edited by: Patrick G ]</p>
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Re: What convertor should I get? [quote]Originally posted by RyanJackson:
<strong>a ... or i can just mash it and walk into another lane and see forward out of the passenger side of the front windsheild and out the passenger window.
Ryan</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man ... I got so much to learn, I'm doing something wrong ... I always wind up looking forward out the drivers side door window <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
On a more specific note, you really do need to answer the "what are you trying achieve?" question first. As far as the Yank vs Vig vs etc, I think you will find that for the most part you will be staisfied with either ... I have a Yank 3200 upgraded from a 3000 ... I'm tickled to death with it. I have friends who went Vig and I would have to kill them before they'd give it up.
Just like every other product, occasionally a bad one gets out there. From what I've observed Yank and Precision both are pretty good about backing up thier product when there are issues.
Good Luck
<strong>a ... or i can just mash it and walk into another lane and see forward out of the passenger side of the front windsheild and out the passenger window.
Ryan</strong><hr></blockquote>
Man ... I got so much to learn, I'm doing something wrong ... I always wind up looking forward out the drivers side door window <img src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" border="0">
On a more specific note, you really do need to answer the "what are you trying achieve?" question first. As far as the Yank vs Vig vs etc, I think you will find that for the most part you will be staisfied with either ... I have a Yank 3200 upgraded from a 3000 ... I'm tickled to death with it. I have friends who went Vig and I would have to kill them before they'd give it up.
Just like every other product, occasionally a bad one gets out there. From what I've observed Yank and Precision both are pretty good about backing up thier product when there are issues.
Good Luck
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Re: What convertor should I get? I would say my intentions would be mostly street and some track. Probally about 50/50. The car is a every day driver for now. I am just looking to have a 12 second every day driver. It ran a 13.15@107 2.07 60 foot. Only mod is a Whisper lid and removed screen from maf.
Re: What convertor should I get? 12s will be a piece of cake with a Vig 3200 or Yank ST3500. Expect to drop 5-7 tenths with traction. HOLD ON!!!
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Re: What convertor should I get? first thing to do is decide if you want all that power RIGHT off the line. are you wanting to buy a lot of tires and have to run stickies at the track? if so, go with any Yank ST or Vig 3200-3600. All good choices. Personally it all came down to price for me. at the time the vigi was cheaper so i bought one. a week later a GP started and i could have gotten a ST3500 for like $630. if i didnt already have the vig, i wouldve gotten the ST.
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Re: What convertor should I get? [quote]Originally posted by REC:
<strong>I would say my intentions would be mostly street and some track. Probally about 50/50. The car is a every day driver for now. I am just looking to have a 12 second every day driver. It ran a 13.15@107 2.07 60 foot. Only mod is a Whisper lid and removed screen from maf.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yank has a neat little matrix on thier site www.converter.cc that will match mods up to the appropiate converter.
Some serious advice here though, if you do go with any stall above 3000(2800 for the Vig) tires are an abosolute must. I wasn't kidding on my previous post, on street tires, with just bolt on mods and a marginal track, I damn near went wall to wall this week ... as fun and exciting as that was 20 ETs are embarassing as hell.
Good Luck
<strong>I would say my intentions would be mostly street and some track. Probally about 50/50. The car is a every day driver for now. I am just looking to have a 12 second every day driver. It ran a 13.15@107 2.07 60 foot. Only mod is a Whisper lid and removed screen from maf.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yank has a neat little matrix on thier site www.converter.cc that will match mods up to the appropiate converter.
Some serious advice here though, if you do go with any stall above 3000(2800 for the Vig) tires are an abosolute must. I wasn't kidding on my previous post, on street tires, with just bolt on mods and a marginal track, I damn near went wall to wall this week ... as fun and exciting as that was 20 ETs are embarassing as hell.
Good Luck