Fuddle.. Whats The Verdict????
Fuddle.. Whats The Verdict???? For A Head\cam (mabye No2) Car Do These Things Work.. Cust Service Seems Great But Ive Read Claims These Are Rebuilt Stockers ... I Mean Do These Things Perform Or Not? (any Comparsions Between Tci Vig Yank And Fuddle Yet?????) Im Stuck Between This And A Ssf3800 ???
I'm very happy with mine. As far as being rebuilt stockers I don't know how that would be possible since the convertor itself is half the size of my stock one. What I don't understand is how so many people ordered them the first time around yet I've heard little to no feed back from them??? I had mine installed 2 days after it hit my door step. It's performed exactly like John said it would and I've had zero issues with it.
Good Deal...i've Heard They Use Stock Cores (hell, I Don't Even Know What That Means... I Just Know That's Not A PaRticULARLLY Good Thing)
John Feel Free To Chime In Here And Clear Things Up MaYbE You Could Even Tell Me What A The "core" Is... In Any Case I Plan On Ordering One Here In About 2 Weeks I Just Want Some Reassurance IN Making The Right Choice I Don't Mind Paying More For Performance As Long As I'ts Really Worth It .. If A Fuddle Is As Good Or Better Than A Tci Then WHY Pay More ?????
But, There Inlies The Question... Are They??????
John Feel Free To Chime In Here And Clear Things Up MaYbE You Could Even Tell Me What A The "core" Is... In Any Case I Plan On Ordering One Here In About 2 Weeks I Just Want Some Reassurance IN Making The Right Choice I Don't Mind Paying More For Performance As Long As I'ts Really Worth It .. If A Fuddle Is As Good Or Better Than A Tci Then WHY Pay More ?????
But, There Inlies The Question... Are They??????
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While I will preface this with a reiteration of my desire to peacefully co-exist with ALL other sponsors, let me clear up things as much as I can.
-Lets start with "Do These Things Perform Or Not?"
Yes they perform and the track times are proving it. We recently had a customer knock off .6 and GAIN mph using a mild/moderate version of our Performance Coverter-the one being offered for $359 in our current GP. That customer was running on stock tires and the car was basically stock before the addition of the converter. While of course I cannot guarantee certain ET reductions, as you can see, the potential is certainly there.
-Some information on "stock cores":
The stock converter in an LS1 Fbody/GTO is a 300mm pig. Anyone who has seen it knows it is HUGE. It is really not good for much more than stock replacement. Even if you change blade angles the highest stall within reason that can be achieved is about 2400 and that is pushing it. Also, the angular movement of the fluid in a stock converter modified to stall to 2400 RPM becomes extremely inefficient. It simply moves too much fluid to make the velocity happen that creates efficient high stalls.
There was a company on here a while back that did use the stock cores from LS1 style converters and modify them by adapting 245mm components. That design resulted in a heavier converter with a sub par front cover.
The Performance Converter from Fuddle Racing is a 245mm converter and yes, it does use a 245mm heavily machined stock front cover, just not off of an LS1. With the machining that is done to the pilots and to the pads, we achieve a perfectly perpendicular and concentric angle on the cover's components. That reduces stress on the flexplate and maintains ridgidity on the front cover itself.
For more information on the build of our Performance Converter, click
this link.
Our Performance Converter is built to be economical and handle modified cars, but beyond 550, we offer our HP/Race model for high horsepower applications. That model uses a billet front cover, 6-bolt, and an enlarged front cover that is built specifically to accept a massive clutch that is even capable of handling WOT lock-up. I will say the HP/Race converter is every bit as good as anything out there, but I don't see many people who need that much converter.
The vast majority of people on these boards would have a hell of a time breaking a Performance Model. However, if they did, we would stand behind it 100%. In fact, if someone wanted to try the Performance Converter on a car making big power and it couldn't hold, we would happily let them send it back and we would apply 100% of their original purchase price toward the new converter. Even if someone started with the Performance Converter and later decided they should have gone bigger, send it back and we'll again apply 100% to the new one. Click here for more info about our warranty and upgrade program. We have to build a quality product to stand behind it like we do.
We want to continue to be seen as having unbeatable customer service. We couldn't maintain that if we made getting a repacement converter difficult. Beyond that, we also cover satisfaction in performance. If someone isn't satisfied with the way their converter stalls, feels or simply wants it to perform differently, we will replace or restall the converter to better suit their needs.
I hope that this clears things up a bit. Sorry it is so long.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
-Lets start with "Do These Things Perform Or Not?"
Yes they perform and the track times are proving it. We recently had a customer knock off .6 and GAIN mph using a mild/moderate version of our Performance Coverter-the one being offered for $359 in our current GP. That customer was running on stock tires and the car was basically stock before the addition of the converter. While of course I cannot guarantee certain ET reductions, as you can see, the potential is certainly there.
-Some information on "stock cores":
The stock converter in an LS1 Fbody/GTO is a 300mm pig. Anyone who has seen it knows it is HUGE. It is really not good for much more than stock replacement. Even if you change blade angles the highest stall within reason that can be achieved is about 2400 and that is pushing it. Also, the angular movement of the fluid in a stock converter modified to stall to 2400 RPM becomes extremely inefficient. It simply moves too much fluid to make the velocity happen that creates efficient high stalls.
There was a company on here a while back that did use the stock cores from LS1 style converters and modify them by adapting 245mm components. That design resulted in a heavier converter with a sub par front cover.
The Performance Converter from Fuddle Racing is a 245mm converter and yes, it does use a 245mm heavily machined stock front cover, just not off of an LS1. With the machining that is done to the pilots and to the pads, we achieve a perfectly perpendicular and concentric angle on the cover's components. That reduces stress on the flexplate and maintains ridgidity on the front cover itself.
For more information on the build of our Performance Converter, click
this link.
Our Performance Converter is built to be economical and handle modified cars, but beyond 550, we offer our HP/Race model for high horsepower applications. That model uses a billet front cover, 6-bolt, and an enlarged front cover that is built specifically to accept a massive clutch that is even capable of handling WOT lock-up. I will say the HP/Race converter is every bit as good as anything out there, but I don't see many people who need that much converter.
The vast majority of people on these boards would have a hell of a time breaking a Performance Model. However, if they did, we would stand behind it 100%. In fact, if someone wanted to try the Performance Converter on a car making big power and it couldn't hold, we would happily let them send it back and we would apply 100% of their original purchase price toward the new converter. Even if someone started with the Performance Converter and later decided they should have gone bigger, send it back and we'll again apply 100% to the new one. Click here for more info about our warranty and upgrade program. We have to build a quality product to stand behind it like we do.
We want to continue to be seen as having unbeatable customer service. We couldn't maintain that if we made getting a repacement converter difficult. Beyond that, we also cover satisfaction in performance. If someone isn't satisfied with the way their converter stalls, feels or simply wants it to perform differently, we will replace or restall the converter to better suit their needs.
I hope that this clears things up a bit. Sorry it is so long.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
Last edited by 1jfuddle; Apr 27, 2005 at 03:06 AM.
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Originally Posted by 1jfuddle
While I will preface this with a reiteration of my desire to peacefully co-exist with ALL other sponsors, let me clear up things as much as I can.
-Lets start with "Do These Things Perform Or Not?"
Yes they perform and the track times are proving it. We recently had a customer knock off .6 and GAIN mph using a mild/moderate version of our Performance Coverter-the one being offered for $359 in our current GP. That customer was running on stock tires and the car was basically stock before the addition of the converter. While of course I cannot guarantee certain ET reductions, as you can see, the potential is certainly there.
-Some information on "stock cores":
The stock converter in an LS1 Fbody/GTO is a 300mm pig. Anyone who has seen it knows it is HUGE. It is really not good for much more than stock replacement. Even if you change blade angles the highest stall within reason that can be achieved is about 2400 and that is pushing it. Also, the angular movement of the fluid in a stock converter modified to stall to 2400 RPM becomes extremely inefficient. It simply moves too much fluid to make the velocity happen that creates efficient high stalls.
There was a company on here a while back that did use the stock cores from LS1 style converters and modify them by adapting 245mm components. That design resulted in a heavier converter with a sub par front cover.
The Performance Converter from Fuddle Racing is a 245mm converter and yes, it does use a 245mm heavily machined stock front cover, just not off of an LS1. With the machining that is done to the pilots and to the pads, we achieve a perfectly perpendicular and concentric angle on the cover's components. That reduces stress on the flexplate and maintains ridgidity on the front cover itself.
For more information on the build of our Performance Converter, click
this link.
Our Performance Converter is built to be economical and handle modified cars, but beyond 550, we offer our HP/Race model for high horsepower applications. That model uses a billet front cover, 6-bolt, and an enlarged front cover that is built specifically to accept a massive clutch that is even capable of handling WOT lock-up. I will say the HP/Race converter is every bit as good as anything out there, but I don't see many people who need that much converter.
The vast majority of people on these boards would have a hell of a time breaking a Performance Model. However, if they did, we would stand behind it 100%. In fact, if someone wanted to try the Performance Converter on a car making big power and it couldn't hold, we would happily let them send it back and we would apply 100% of their original purchase price toward the new converter. Even if someone started with the Performance Converter and later decided they should have gone bigger, send it back and we'll again apply 100% to the new one. Click here for more info about our warranty and upgrade program. We have to build a quality product to stand behind it like we do.
We want to continue to be seen as having unbeatable customer service. We couldn't maintain that if we made getting a repacement converter difficult. Beyond that, we also cover satisfaction in performance. If someone isn't satisfied with the way their converter stalls, feels or simply wants it to perform differently, we will replace or restall the converter to better suit their needs.
I hope that this clears things up a bit. Sorry it is so long.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
-Lets start with "Do These Things Perform Or Not?"
Yes they perform and the track times are proving it. We recently had a customer knock off .6 and GAIN mph using a mild/moderate version of our Performance Coverter-the one being offered for $359 in our current GP. That customer was running on stock tires and the car was basically stock before the addition of the converter. While of course I cannot guarantee certain ET reductions, as you can see, the potential is certainly there.
-Some information on "stock cores":
The stock converter in an LS1 Fbody/GTO is a 300mm pig. Anyone who has seen it knows it is HUGE. It is really not good for much more than stock replacement. Even if you change blade angles the highest stall within reason that can be achieved is about 2400 and that is pushing it. Also, the angular movement of the fluid in a stock converter modified to stall to 2400 RPM becomes extremely inefficient. It simply moves too much fluid to make the velocity happen that creates efficient high stalls.
There was a company on here a while back that did use the stock cores from LS1 style converters and modify them by adapting 245mm components. That design resulted in a heavier converter with a sub par front cover.
The Performance Converter from Fuddle Racing is a 245mm converter and yes, it does use a 245mm heavily machined stock front cover, just not off of an LS1. With the machining that is done to the pilots and to the pads, we achieve a perfectly perpendicular and concentric angle on the cover's components. That reduces stress on the flexplate and maintains ridgidity on the front cover itself.
For more information on the build of our Performance Converter, click
this link.
Our Performance Converter is built to be economical and handle modified cars, but beyond 550, we offer our HP/Race model for high horsepower applications. That model uses a billet front cover, 6-bolt, and an enlarged front cover that is built specifically to accept a massive clutch that is even capable of handling WOT lock-up. I will say the HP/Race converter is every bit as good as anything out there, but I don't see many people who need that much converter.
The vast majority of people on these boards would have a hell of a time breaking a Performance Model. However, if they did, we would stand behind it 100%. In fact, if someone wanted to try the Performance Converter on a car making big power and it couldn't hold, we would happily let them send it back and we would apply 100% of their original purchase price toward the new converter. Even if someone started with the Performance Converter and later decided they should have gone bigger, send it back and we'll again apply 100% to the new one. Click here for more info about our warranty and upgrade program. We have to build a quality product to stand behind it like we do.
We want to continue to be seen as having unbeatable customer service. We couldn't maintain that if we made getting a repacement converter difficult. Beyond that, we also cover satisfaction in performance. If someone isn't satisfied with the way their converter stalls, feels or simply wants it to perform differently, we will replace or restall the converter to better suit their needs.
I hope that this clears things up a bit. Sorry it is so long.
John Cameron
Fuddle Racing
JT
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good deal lets keep this going id really like to see some comparsions between companies (spifically tci ssf3800 and a fuddle 3800)
hey john going back to our pm conversation a few days ago shouldent i just go for a 4200 stall if im gonna buy this line of converter.. my logic is if the converter can only withstand 550 hp and im gonna be pritty close to this (crank) just with my head\cam package i wouldent be able to spray on it even if went for the 3800 simply beacouse the converter would pop regardless of stall speed RIGHT?... also dont the bottom ends of a ls1 break down over 550 too? so should i just commit to not spraying and be happy @ 500-500 NA hp or spring for the expensive model (3800stall) and spray
hey john going back to our pm conversation a few days ago shouldent i just go for a 4200 stall if im gonna buy this line of converter.. my logic is if the converter can only withstand 550 hp and im gonna be pritty close to this (crank) just with my head\cam package i wouldent be able to spray on it even if went for the 3800 simply beacouse the converter would pop regardless of stall speed RIGHT?... also dont the bottom ends of a ls1 break down over 550 too? so should i just commit to not spraying and be happy @ 500-500 NA hp or spring for the expensive model (3800stall) and spray
Well, I have a 3600/2.4 from john. I think i should have gone slightly bigger, but i'm waiting for a cam to go in before i swap out the verter. The car runs and hooks awesome. I just want a little more. I go 1.55 on a full slick with it. the car moves very well. I would definately buy another one from him no problem. I know there's someone from orland area that is going to pick one up and we're going to throw it in his car.
I have a guestion about the Fuddle performance converter. Can a person do WOT lockup and not hurt it with and engine rated below the 550 ft-lb or do you have to go to the high perf race converter to do WOT lockup. It wont be an everyday occurance because the car is mostly street driven but I need a recomendation so I can order. My engine setup is (once its back in the car) 383 with LT1 heads flowing in the low 280s an the cam is a comp custom grind, 224 230 dur @ .050 & .574 .570 lift. All motor. Thanks
Mec
Mec
Damn John, after reading your post a couple up about the Perf vs. Race I am skeered! Hell we both agree'd the HP/Race would be in my best interests 
I am still toggling between swapping to a TH400 and keeping the 60E. If I keep the 60E, I will be getting updated build sheet info to you for my car/combo. Do you have a TC for swapping to TH400 w/LS1? I seen you post something about the TH350 not sure?
Charlie
I am still toggling between swapping to a TH400 and keeping the 60E. If I keep the 60E, I will be getting updated build sheet info to you for my car/combo. Do you have a TC for swapping to TH400 w/LS1? I seen you post something about the TH350 not sure?Charlie