Thinking of running two stall converters.
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Thinking of running two stall converters. It seems you can't have stellar nitrous and motor performance at the same time with the same converter. I'm thinking of running the UT 4400 during the colder months and when its gets hot out switch to a PY 3400 and start sparying since I won't be running my best motor times in the heat anyway... Anyone else doing this?
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. Hmmm running on motor when its cold would also mean I won't be worrying about a cold bottle ect... This is making more sense the more I think about it <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. That's a cool way of thinking as long as you don't mind swapping converters a few times a year. Don't run the PY3400E unless you plan on running at least a 200 shot though. If you're going to be more around a 150 shot, you may go a little faster with the PY3600E. I had both. The 3600 is very good on motor and on the spray. The 3400 is very tight by comparison (much more aggressive stator) and won't give you near as good of performance on motor...but for a big shot of N2O or a turbo, it's awesome.
If you insist on one converter that would do it all, a good choice would be the ST3500 built to Pro Yank Extreme specs (HD internals, Kevlar Posi Lock-up clutch, 6 bolt mounting lugs) or a Pro Yank 3600 Extreme with a couple hundred more rpm of stall (3800 stall).
If you insist on one converter that would do it all, a good choice would be the ST3500 built to Pro Yank Extreme specs (HD internals, Kevlar Posi Lock-up clutch, 6 bolt mounting lugs) or a Pro Yank 3600 Extreme with a couple hundred more rpm of stall (3800 stall).
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote]Originally posted by Patrick G:
<strong>....a Pro Yank 3600 Extreme with a couple hundred more rpm of stall (3800 stall).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep, that's the type of converter I've been thinking about, like said above.. it's still a compromise.
<strong>....a Pro Yank 3600 Extreme with a couple hundred more rpm of stall (3800 stall).</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yep, that's the type of converter I've been thinking about, like said above.. it's still a compromise.
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote]If you're going to be more around a 150 shot, you may go a little faster with the PY3600E. I had both. The 3600 is very good on motor and on the spray. The 3400 is very tight by comparison (much more aggressive stator) and won't give you near as good of performance on motor...but for a big shot of N2O or a turbo, it's awesome. <hr></blockquote>
Thats great info Patrick! Thanks! <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Thats great info Patrick! Thanks! <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. What do you think about the Yank TP4400E ?
High stall would be good for running on motor, but at the same time, it's stronger for N2O use...
AZZKICKER is using it I think.
Seems like he's had good results...
High stall would be good for running on motor, but at the same time, it's stronger for N2O use...
AZZKICKER is using it I think.
Seems like he's had good results...
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote]What do you think about the Yank TP4400E ?
High stall would be good for running on motor, but at the same time, it's stronger for N2O use...
AZZKICKER is using it I think.
Seems like he's had good results... <hr></blockquote>
AZZKICKER would run plenty faster on nitrous with a PY3600E converter. But then the all motor runs would suffer some...
High stall would be good for running on motor, but at the same time, it's stronger for N2O use...
AZZKICKER is using it I think.
Seems like he's had good results... <hr></blockquote>
AZZKICKER would run plenty faster on nitrous with a PY3600E converter. But then the all motor runs would suffer some...
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Verdad Gallardo Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. Andy's (AZZKICKERS) car is NOT a good comparision. It has a TH-400 in it for one thing..
You can use a TP-4400E with nitrous, it's just not going to be very efficient and will probably stall to the moon (on the gas). Once again.. great on the motor, ok on the gas.
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: WILWAXU ]</p>
You can use a TP-4400E with nitrous, it's just not going to be very efficient and will probably stall to the moon (on the gas). Once again.. great on the motor, ok on the gas.
[ December 30, 2001: Message edited by: WILWAXU ]</p>
Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. Andy was running 150 shot and having issues with too much stall. A PYE4000 is much as I would go with 150 shot and I would probably take Patrick's advice and go with the PYE 3600 if I were serious about the spray.
I think the 2 converter idea is good.
I think the 2 converter idea is good.
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote] The 3600 is very good on motor and on the spray. The 3400 is very tight by comparison (much more aggressive stator) <hr></blockquote>
Patrick,
If I had Mike put the PY3600E stator into a PY3400E converter would that be EVEN better then the PY3600E converter for nitrous?
Patrick,
If I had Mike put the PY3600E stator into a PY3400E converter would that be EVEN better then the PY3600E converter for nitrous?
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote]If I had Mike put the PY3600E stator into a PY3400E converter would that be EVEN better then the PY3600E converter for nitrous? <hr></blockquote>
Better for a 150 shot that is.
Better for a 150 shot that is.
Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. If you put the stator from a PY3600 into a PY3400, you would have a PY3600. If you put the more aggressive stator from the PY3400 into the PY3600, you would have a PY3400. See, the PY3400 & PY3600 both use the same pump and turbine, but different stators. Swap one and you get the other.
If you are only going to run a 150 shot, then the higher stall PY3600E would be a better choice overall. See, at a 150 shot, the PY3400E and PY3600E are equal, but the PY3600E would excel on motor. Step up to a 175 shot or better and the PY3400E starts to pull away from the PY3600E. Your choice depends on how aggressive you're going to spray the motor. The PY3400 is very tight.
If you are only going to run a 150 shot, then the higher stall PY3600E would be a better choice overall. See, at a 150 shot, the PY3400E and PY3600E are equal, but the PY3600E would excel on motor. Step up to a 175 shot or better and the PY3400E starts to pull away from the PY3600E. Your choice depends on how aggressive you're going to spray the motor. The PY3400 is very tight.
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. Indirect observation, but BradWS6 went from a TP4400 to a 3600 and it did not 60 ft as good, only would do like Mid 1.6's I think NA.
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. Patrick,
That was great information! Ive already got a UT 4400. It looks like ill get a PY3400E when it warms up abit. Those two converters will give me both extremes.
That was great information! Ive already got a UT 4400. It looks like ill get a PY3400E when it warms up abit. Those two converters will give me both extremes.
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Re: Thinking of running two stall converters. [quote]Indirect observation, but BradWS6 went from a TP4400 to a 3600 and it did not 60 ft as good, only would do like Mid 1.6's I think NA. <hr></blockquote>
PSJ,
Yeah thats to be expected I suppose it seems if you wan't really serious N/A performance you got to keep that stall way up there. Good post that reinforces what i'm doing. Only thing wrong with it is the extra $ but there will be no compromise in performance.
PSJ,
Yeah thats to be expected I suppose it seems if you wan't really serious N/A performance you got to keep that stall way up there. Good post that reinforces what i'm doing. Only thing wrong with it is the extra $ but there will be no compromise in performance.