PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
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PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
Have a '00 Camaro SS #5642, with all the basic free mods, stock 3.23's, MAF ends, DF Lid, Holley Filter, Hypertech PPIII, (100% firmness, Fans, & shift points only) 160 T-Stat, stock converter. Has anyone tried the ST 3800 on a stock C/H car? This is a daily driver but would like better track performance without all the lock up SES code crap. Are many '00 cars having converter problems? Early/late year make a difference? I DO NOT want a 4000 + converter!! Just a good, doin it once, compromise
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
I'd go with the ST3500 or ST3800. Both are great street/strip converters <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
btw...I got the ST3500...I love it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
btw...I got the ST3500...I love it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
[quote]Originally posted by DevilBird:
<strong>I'd go with the ST3500 or ST3800. Both are great street/strip converters <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
btw...I got the ST3500...I love it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>That's the one I'm leaning toward. I met a kid at ATCO on Sunday with a WS6 that said his trans self destructed with a ST3500 and two trans coolers?!! Why two? Tried to get more info but he seemed kind of vague in his answers. Don't think it was a converter problem; think something else may have been wrong already. Still curious about the ST3800 though. Thanx.
<strong>I'd go with the ST3500 or ST3800. Both are great street/strip converters <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
btw...I got the ST3500...I love it <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> </strong><hr></blockquote>That's the one I'm leaning toward. I met a kid at ATCO on Sunday with a WS6 that said his trans self destructed with a ST3500 and two trans coolers?!! Why two? Tried to get more info but he seemed kind of vague in his answers. Don't think it was a converter problem; think something else may have been wrong already. Still curious about the ST3800 though. Thanx.
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
If I were you I'd set the shift firmness back to stock. At WOT it has 100% line pressure already. All your doing is adding that stress throughout your entire driving routine.
I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
[quote]Originally posted by Bob2of3:
<strong>If I were you I'd set the shift firmness back to stock. At WOT it has 100% line pressure already. All your doing is adding that stress throughout your entire driving routine.
I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bob2of3 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>The so called 100% firmness feels more like a gear change lag reducer than firmness. Was very disappointed with the stock "SUV" shifts. You can tell that it reduces the lag time between gears. I've had a "Real" shift kit in a worked 445 ci six-pack '70 Cuda that shifted hard enough to BARK some 295/50R-15 BFG's from 2nd to 3rd shift, (at 100, yes, 100 mph!!!) that you would have a 5 Tylenol headache by the end of the day. This is not firmness, it's speed. Thanx.
<strong>If I were you I'd set the shift firmness back to stock. At WOT it has 100% line pressure already. All your doing is adding that stress throughout your entire driving routine.
I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
<img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bob2of3 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>The so called 100% firmness feels more like a gear change lag reducer than firmness. Was very disappointed with the stock "SUV" shifts. You can tell that it reduces the lag time between gears. I've had a "Real" shift kit in a worked 445 ci six-pack '70 Cuda that shifted hard enough to BARK some 295/50R-15 BFG's from 2nd to 3rd shift, (at 100, yes, 100 mph!!!) that you would have a 5 Tylenol headache by the end of the day. This is not firmness, it's speed. Thanx.
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
[quote]Originally posted by Bob2of3:
<strong>If I were you I'd set the shift firmness back to stock. At WOT it has 100% line pressure already. All your doing is adding that stress throughout your entire driving routine.
I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
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[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bob2of3 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>BTW, I have a co-worker that has a PT4400 that's a monster at the track, (I think she turned a 1.57" 60 first time out) but said it's a bit much on the street. Highest I'd possibly go to is a ST3800. I'm figuring almost a .10 difference between the ST3500 to the ST3800?
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<strong>If I were you I'd set the shift firmness back to stock. At WOT it has 100% line pressure already. All your doing is adding that stress throughout your entire driving routine.
I'd vote for the ST3800. I have the YTP4500 and I have not had any converter related problems
I'll see you at Atco this year. I'll be the Blue Z that looks like this <img src="graemlins/camaro.gif" border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" /> <img src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" border="0">
<img src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />
[ January 30, 2002: Message edited by: Bob2of3 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>BTW, I have a co-worker that has a PT4400 that's a monster at the track, (I think she turned a 1.57" 60 first time out) but said it's a bit much on the street. Highest I'd possibly go to is a ST3800. I'm figuring almost a .10 difference between the ST3500 to the ST3800?
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
Another one to consider is the PY3400E. I had the ST3500 and was great, but the PY is more streetable for daily driving IMO, but hits harder, needing stickies at the track. I wouldn't count out the PI3200 either, my buddy has the PI2800, and is cutting mid 1.6's with his stock 3.23 gears and is also very streetable.. I think most of the problems with the SES codes have been on the 01' and 02' years.
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
PI 3200 is very streetable and will shread tire on the drop of a dime or hook like a mad b!tch with ET Streets or Drags at the track. My best 60ft. is in the sig.
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[quote]Originally posted by StreetStalkerZ:
<strong>PI 3200 is very streetable and will shread tire on the drop of a dime or hook like a mad b!tch with ET Streets or Drags at the track. My best 60ft. is in the sig.</strong><hr></blockquote>Thanx for all the input guys. Still undecided but have a couple of ideas now.
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<strong>PI 3200 is very streetable and will shread tire on the drop of a dime or hook like a mad b!tch with ET Streets or Drags at the track. My best 60ft. is in the sig.</strong><hr></blockquote>Thanx for all the input guys. Still undecided but have a couple of ideas now.
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
I'm a big Vig 3200 fan as well. It's a GREAT street/strip converter, and it's not too loose by any means. I'm gonna see what it's good for in the 60' with 3.73's, and it should be solidly in the 11's. I guess we'll see Saturday. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
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I wanted a ST3500 for 6 months, but decided on the PI 3200 because of the problems guys were having with '01's and SES codes.
I love it. It's almost too streetable... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> I was expecting a lot less drivability since it is my daily driver. But the thing is not much different than stock. Unless you mash the throttle. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I'm track-testing it this weekend.
I love it. It's almost too streetable... <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0"> I was expecting a lot less drivability since it is my daily driver. But the thing is not much different than stock. Unless you mash the throttle. <img src="gr_grin.gif" border="0">
I'm track-testing it this weekend.
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Please post your results after you track test. I am very interested to see what happens with your 60' times. If I ever swap converters again, I think it's gonna be a Vig 3200. I havent yet to cut better than a 1.80 with ET Streets. What RPM is everyone launching at, maybe I haven't hit the sweet spot yet..
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Re: PI3200, ST3500, or ST3800 ?
Vig3200 here. Do get ocassional SES (P0300) when the car is idleing for awhile do to my low idle but that will be addressed soon.
Best 60' is a 1.77 on a 17" Nitto on my full weight SS with my 270lbs self in it. I LOVE this converter. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">
Best 60' is a 1.77 on a 17" Nitto on my full weight SS with my 270lbs self in it. I LOVE this converter. <img src="gr_stretch.gif" border="0">