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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 02:54 AM
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i got my car back from the shop today, they rebuilt the stock A4 and added a TransGo shift kit...

i was all happy because since my best stock run (14.3 6000+DA) my tranny started failing and i added LT's and TD's...

so i go to the track.. which was in awful condition, but it was maybe the same condition as when my stock best..

times were 14.7 / 14.6 / 14.8 6000+DA too..i dont have the slips because i just throwed them away on sadness..

Tranny feels awesome.. shifts are FIRM.. on low or half throttle shifts will make your neck cry.. but whyyyyy whyyyy my times got worse...

just had to let it out...

no one ever.. should feel like this.. spending money to make your car slower...
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 03:42 AM
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That really sucks. Sounds like your in dire need of tuning.

Where are you located? I hate when it gets up to 2000 here. heh.
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 03:56 AM
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too bad u threw the slips away, those could have helped us.
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 11:42 AM
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Well, the Transgo had nothing to do with your car urnning slower ... but LT's can do that, indicating that tuning is needed.
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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What was your MPH, 60' ect?
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by SmokingWS6
What was your MPH, 60' ect?
i can't remember, i'm going today, will save the slips
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 02:07 PM
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So far I see nothing to do with the transmission,
in any of this.
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
So far I see nothing to do with the transmission,
in any of this.
it's just something that i had to let out..

and well with a failing tranny i used to beat high 13s cars on the street... that's why...

here is the run on HPT.. my LTFTs are not that bad

i kinda feel the car is shifting to 2nd while still spinning out of traction and the car kinda bogs..

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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 04:14 PM
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yeah sounds like you REALLY need tuning. both tranny and engine.

the reason you beat high 13 cars on the street is probably because you have more power up top than down low.
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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I can see you still have heavy torque management (from
the drop to zero advance) but this is not enough to stop
your wheelspin on the 1-2. The 1-2 shift takes quite a
while to pull down but making it faster will only aggravate
wheelspin. You probably need better tires. The 1-2 is short
shifting somewhat and wants raised to land you higher in
the 2nd gear powerband (more spin, yee-haw). You probably
would do better without that KR sitting on you; try and
reduce the fast attack gain and increase the recovery
rate, and then chase down the cause of the KR (appears
false to me, maybe banging related except for the first
of them, which seems to attend the throttle opening
event.

I don't see wheelspin at launch, so that is where I
suspect the long 1/4 times have their root. Are you on
2.73 gears?

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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyblue
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man.. while i appreciate your advice i only understood like half of it, i got lost at the fast attack thing...

today i ws going to run without TQ management but i forgot the laptop

the car ran a 14.59 @ 7200 DA, i have the slip but it only has reaction and final time.. all the other cells were off. Track was POOR...

I def. got massive wheel spin because i "drift" all the way to 2nd then bogs and i just see the other car pulling on me

3.23s as the door says...
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Old Sep 10, 2005 | 11:31 PM
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tire spin can affect your 60' and 1/4 time by many tenths. If you are spinning through first and possibly into 2nd you are probably averaging a 2.5+ 60', over 5 tenths worse than it should be. Practice launching. As far as the scan goes that you posted I need to see the whole file or excel file to see it in more detail. The main things that stand out are the excessive TM and a badly slipping 1-2 shift.

If you have the excel file or hpt file send it to stlvortac@aol.com
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 12:28 AM
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Thanks for sending your log file.

It shows all the signs of needing a good tune and maybe then some. First, the o2's seem deader than a door nail. After logging for five mins they still failed to properly swing even once while at temp(220* plus). My assumption is they need replacing. 7 mins into the log they somewhat came alive.

Fan temps need to be lowered, 226* ECT anld 128* IAT is killing you. Try setting it at 195* low 200* high. The maf is reading very low, sub 24 lbs. this may be due to several reasons, from Bad DA, air lid, uncalibrated stock maf table ect.

oddest part of the log was when you went WOT before the burnout and were still at 0mph. Either amazing brakes are really low on power.

If you need any help with the tune let me know.
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Old Sep 11, 2005 | 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by SmokingWS6
Thanks for sending your log file.
thank you for your time!

Still have the stock airbox and a paper filter there, i have not checked the maf screen, maybe something is blocking it, will check that today.

I have played with the Fan temps but they dont seem to get lower, always 220* range (maybe i need a t-stat to complement?)

On the burnout thing.. i know. i'm a dumbass i was focused on the damn laptop instead of my legs.. i started cleaning the tires with full brake pressure

I will change my 02s, and well, i will start doing my way into a Wideband to tune..

Thanks again!
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 12:26 PM
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You shifted at 5600 rpm and 5900 rpm if I'm reading that correctly. Your shift kit could have caused the faster shifts which can result in your shift rpms occuring lower than expected because there is less lag time. While wheel spin can cause your shifts to mess up and be the true cause of the low shifts, I'd bump your shift points to ensure that you shift at 6000 or even as high as 6200.

FWIW, get a torque converter. It was a shame to have the tranny out and not stick even a 3000 converter in there.
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ragtop 99
You shifted at 5600 rpm and 5900 rpm if I'm reading that correctly. Your shift kit could have caused the faster shifts which can result in your shift rpms occuring lower than expected because there is less lag time. While wheel spin can cause your shifts to mess up and be the true cause of the low shifts, I'd bump your shift points to ensure that you shift at 6000 or even as high as 6200.

FWIW, get a torque converter. It was a shame to have the tranny out and not stick even a 3000 converter in there.
nice observation, i was scratching my head on why the car shifted early...

and well i didn't got a TC because i want a SS4000 and could not afford it at the time... and still don't

gotta pay up the bills first.. then comes the car...
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