1madss

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I let my slave hang under the car and used a combination of a vise on the bottom and a c-clamp on the top to hold the slave and compressed it almost to the bottom of the travel and then had someone pump the pedal and hold similar to beelding brakes. I did this for about 20 cycles, keeping a close eye on the fluid level in the resevoir. You will have to keep adding fluid as it does not hold much. This worked very well for me. After re-installing the tranny the pedal went to the floor once and had good pressure after. I like doing it this way as it is easy to get to the slave valve and you do not disconnect the system again after bleeding. I know that the fittings should not allow air in even disconnected, but I did not want to take a chance. The down side is that the tranny must be out for this to work. I tried to bleed like this with the slave in the vise to keep it from over extending, but at the top of its travel and I could never get any pressure in the pedal. I had to compress it to make it work.

Mark

Ron@Vengeance

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Right now the car is completely together. I did the clutch install over a month ago( Well Josh did <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> ) Im just doing the master now by itself and I have good pedal pressure, I just dont have clutch engagament. Thanx alot though for chiming in.

love2xlr8

try bleeding the fill line on the master itself! Thats what we did last night after bench bleeding and still getting nowhere. (the bolt was loose on the master by the way, causing air to get into the system).
1. have a friend pump the pedal about 5-10 times and hold to the floor.
2. while the pedal is to the floor open the bolt at the fill tube on the master and keep an eye on the fluid.
3. close the bolt and redo whole process a few times. <img border="0" alt="[Chevrolet]" title="" src="graemlins/camaro.gif" />

Ron@Vengeance

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What master do you have?? I bought the Ram adj master and its just a stock modified piece. Theres no bolt on it that would cause air to get into the system. IT uses the same hose going to the resevoir. Attached with a zip-tie up top.

I have been outside for over an hour bleeding everything and it seems like Im finally getting some air out. My partner has noticed a difference in clutch feel while pumping and I have actually heard some air come out when I crack the bleeder valve. Who knows, maybe Im making progress. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

Jamie99TA

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Cammin BeaSST,
If you can't get your clutch to disengage, have you tried to adjust the master rod? Make the rod a little longer until your clutch will disengage.

2000 Camaro SS

I JUST had the same problem but I have you beat how about 2 1/2 bottles of brake fluid. You know what fixed it? (I guess you don't or you wouldn't be reading this) Pull the clip off the top of the adjustable master. UN-Screw the rod end some. When I set my new master up I made the rod the same length as the stock unit I guess it is not long enough to make the master bleed. Anyway I un-screwed the rod end at least 1/2 inch maybe more. It was bleed in about 10 minutes. I had to fill the reservoir after every two burps because SOOoo much fluid would come out. Remember not to splash fluid all over the clutch plate.

<small>[ March 17, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: 2000 Camaro SS ]</small>

Ron@Vengeance

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Thanx for chiming in guys. I have the rod adjusted all the way out as far as the pedal will let it go. I bled and bled tonight and I still have no clutch engagement. Im going to give Ram a call tomorrow and see what they say. Hopefully I will get this figured out and be on the road without pulling the trans. Thanx again for your help.

Ron@Vengeance

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OK guys I have been struggling with this for two days now and Im running short on patience. I had to install the Ram (modified stock) adj master to go along with my Ram VDS kit. LAst week my clutch decided it didnt want to take anymore gears. Well I pulled the stock master, hooked up the slave line and the fill tube and attempted to bench bleed the unit. I had my buddy push the rod on the master in about 40 times or so while I opened and closed the slave line to release the fluid and air. Once we went through a good amount of fluid and decided it should be good to go, we then installed the unit into the car. I hooked up the slave line and began pumping the pedal. After 30 or so pumps I had decent pressure and the pedal would return off the floor by itself. I have bled and bled this thing and I still have no clutch engagament. I have only gone through about half a bottle full of brake fluid but I wasnt sure how much/long I should be doing this. Any help or ideas on what Im doing wrong on this. BTW, to bleed the unit in the car I had my buddy push the clutch in smoothly about 20 times or so and hold it to the floor while I cracked the bleeder valve. Im at a loss here guys, I appreciate any help ya may give me <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_cheers.gif" />

2000 Camaro SS

I actually had to move the clutch pedal return stop rearward so the pedal could come out more. I plan on putting it back in the original place before I'm all done.

love2xlr8

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> What master do you have?? I bought the Ram adj master and its just a stock modified piece. Theres no bolt on it that would cause air to get into the system. IT uses the same hose going to the resevoir. Attached with a zip-tie up top. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sorry, I have the Mcleod unit. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Ron@Vengeance

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On my way out to give it a try. Thanx a bunch <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

Jamie99TA

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Yep, if you did'nt adjust the clutch pedal return stop, then your master travel is the same as stock. You have to loosen that plastic nut, then back the stop screw out to let the pedal move up.

Ron@Vengeance

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Still no luck <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> I have bled and bled this thing and I have pedal pressure but no engagement. Im almost to the point of pulling the trans, but I have a feeling the issue isnt in there. Im at a complete loss at this point. I just spoke with Mike at Ram and he gave me a # of a guy to call who may be able to tell me something I dont already know. O well, I guess we will see.

BTW, I tried moving the pedal stop. The only thing I saw that could be moved was the lil sensor that the pedal hits as it returns to the original position. I unscrewed this, but it didnt make a difference in the pedal height at all. I pulled on the pedal slightly and it moved it about a 1/4 inch and I adjusted the master accordingly. Now, the pedal only goes down to the point of barely touching the clutch safety switch. Im gonna adjust the master back ad see if this helps return everything to normal.

All in all, Still no $Y*()@T*&%^*(%# clutch. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Mad]" src="gr_images/icons/mad.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

2000 Camaro SS

when you burp the line are you getting a lot or a little fluid out? A lot would = having to fill the brake res. every TWO times. what about it how much fluid?

Ron@Vengeance

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Its fluctuating, thats whats pissing me off. Last night seemed like I was gettin a good bit of air actually. Then on some bleeds I would get a **** load of fluid, IE enough to fill every two times.

2000 Camaro SS

I know you might hate to hear this but that is how mine was. Then I adjusted the rod and moved the stop. Then it was about in 10 minutes I was done. Remember I used about 2 1/2 pints of the fluid. It sounds like your is acting like mine. I would like to encourage you to go and do it some more. I even did the Mod of drilling a two inch hole in my floor so I could do it by myself. Are you doing it by yourself? I probably had to pump and open about oh 50 to 70 times at a guess.

Ron@Vengeance

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Thanx for your continued help man. At this point Im ready to torch the damn thing. Just a few questions, What are you referring to when you say you adjusted the stop? The only thing I saw was the sensor the pedal hits when it returns to the original position. I took this out but it didnt let the pedal travel any further. I also have the rod adjusted all the way out. Secondly, how did you know where to drill the hole exactly. I would love to do this just to stay out from under the damn car getting fluid all over me. I have gone through over 1.5 of the BIG bottles of brake fluid at this point and I have good pedal pressure, but still no engagement. Did you also have pedal pressure when you were bleeding? Thanx again for your help man. Its much appreciated.

2000 Camaro SS

I had to make my rod the longest I could. How do you know you don't have engagement? It should go down hard then get a little harder to push you can feel the difference. why do you think you don't have engagement?
At first I had no peddle pressure but after I moved the stop I did after some more bleeding. If you are going from top side to under the car and back to bleed I bet it feels like you did it a lot more then you really did. It took a LONG TIME for me to get it done. The stop is the little sensor it got moved to the back about a 1/2 inch or more if you took it out you have it out as far as it can go. I hate to say I drilled the hole from the under side of the car before I put in the trannie. I have to go home in about 5 minutes I can measure the hole from the inside of the car and tell you better yet I might be able to post a photo of where to drill the hole. Give me about a half hour to get home and a few more to measure and photo. I'm hoping I have my computer set up at home to post photos still. If not it will just take a little longer to get the photo up.

My next post will be from home so it will be a little while.

2000 Camaro SS

http://communities.msn.com/RichardsB...msnw?Page=Last

Link to more photos.
<img src="http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0MgDwBDIRzake9*TpgfgA8PEK7e7ie!XU9nh6xZQ6cgq5RINy5 8YFWit3m*5uCSA1VEkrbA5HTiphxzxUQDOK6w/image03.jpg" alt="" /> "Butler Floor MOD"
I will explain after dinner but this will get you started. go to the link you can see the tape better. It is 9 inches to the rib in the floor, about half way up the peddel. The drill bit is a 2 1/8 bit to drill hole in doors for door handels.
Talk after dinner. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

<small>[ March 19, 2002, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: 2000 Camaro SS ]</small>

2000 Camaro SS

When you pull the carpet back you see two ribs in the floor. If you measure from the one closest to the pedal go up 9 inches. Likewise you can measure from the edge of the square cut out in the floor sound padding go 9 inches. I had to cut the sound pad as I was lazy and did not want to take it out. go up the peddle about just below the half way point in height. This is the place you drill. You will have to use a big bit like I did to be sure to be able to get to the bleeder. When I was done I cut two pieces of sheet medal and then two pieces of rubber from an old tire inner tub. I made them round and about 3 1/2 to 4 inches across. I drilled four holes through all four parts. I then made a sandwich of first medal then rubber then the car floor then rubber then medal. I then put in the four bolts and tightened them up. That should hold the water out.