Cool. The PY3400 or SS3500 are the converters I'm looking at. I probably don't really need the PY but then I don't really need a watch that's good for diving to 1000 feet either

 

I love threads like this... All opinion and little facts if any. Anyway, Heres what I see with your comment: 1. have you talked to John @ Fuddle, asked him the same questions you asked Yank? If no, then you should state that. 2. Anyone can post pics with a "facts" column on their website, doesnt mean ****.

Does Yank make a good TC, hell yeah. Does Fuddle make a good TC, hell yeah. Too many ppl are brand loyal without having ties e.g. sponsorship etc. Think outside the box and sometimes you'll be rewarded. Yes, I have used Yank, and had a nice converter with what I believe is amazing results from such a small TC. I have also used a couple Fuddles and loved the experience, great results and better yet customer service. I will be ordering another Fuddle for the TH350 combo I currently am running, to replace an ATI unit that is mismatched for the nitrous.

Bottom line, like Jimmy said in the first reply. I dont know of anyone that has ever swapped alike TC's just for comparison sake. It has to be on the same vehicle, same TC Specs (or so damn close its null) or else your left with speculation. Now, what you can do is: 1. be the first to do this comparison 2. go from a stock TC, and order what Yank suggests for your car, then do the same from Fuddle. This will attest to the knowledge base and technical expertise of each, but still leaves room for interpretation of which TC is best.

 

PLUS 1,000,000,000

a buddy has a h/c, and full BMR susp. car, 3.73's and a yank 4K... he drove spec's car with a stock motor LT only, stock susp. fuddle 4K and stock 3.23's and said that the fuddle hits harder than his yank, and is soon switching.... a buddy with a T Type is getting a fuddle for the 2004R, and our tuning shop is getting fuddles in now instead of yank seeing how they are performing

 

also, im getting a custom Fuddle for my 79 Z28 w/ a very healthy 406 and a 2004R, and for my 04 GMC after my camaro is done

 

yes ill post them.. and the same guy tuned both our cars.. logically my car should be faster..being lighter and stufff but i dont think we are goin to race b4 he changes his gears to 4.11s so then it will be not very evenly matched...but ill post them up anyways..


basicaly it goes to the pocket book..if i had too much money and 30k in a motor and tranny and had no budget then i might get a yank but you never know untill someone axually does this on the same car on the same track the same time of the year..but i doubt it will happen...

 

the thing you must consider is these two converters are different in size and weight the py is a 6 bolt mount 2.7 str. more suited for FI, but if you have good mph and a heavy body it probably would give good results anyway.

BTW this is only my gut feeling and is not based on experience.

 

Sorry but WTF??????????????

Did you not read my post or are you dumb??

1st line of my post read:

I'll be honest I have no experiance with Fuddle.

I think that should be evident an answer to anyone.


Then you say:
The 2nd line I wrote in frigging BOLD as well was:

But I hold no brand loyalty to anyone, it's not as if they pay me money at all

So why the f*ck ride my **** about being brand loyal and asking if I have spoken to Fuddle when I made it perfectly clear that I hadn't and wasn't brand loyal????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????

 

Ta, yeah I spoken with Yank a couple of times and have been recommended both for various reasons. In reality with my planned (realistically planned) mods I think the SS3500 will be the better bet. But this in its self is another reason why I would buy from Yank, as I approached them about purchasing a PY3400 but they happily told me that the SS3500 would probably be better, even though it's cheaper and they won't make as much money from it. This I like as it shows comitment to quality and customer care over money making.

Not saying other companies don't do the same, but I felt no need to go and speak to other companies.

If the item and the service are good then I'll happily buy from them even if it costs more than other options, but hay I guess that's just me.

 

Well I went to Yank cos I have been Yanked around ( lol bad choice of words) by another converter builder, and his crap converter couldnt go the distance a even in NA form. cant handle 270 rwkw.

 

Wow, someone cant read b/w the lines. Do you feel bigger about yourself now? Hope so.

I used your quote as a reference, for other people that havent talked to one, or the other yet ride the band wagon. I simply quoted you, since you were detailed enough to list what you have/have not done, unlike a lot of people. Look throught the pages and see how many ppl are pounding chests based off their one experience with one side of "comparison". Relax there tuff-guy there was nothing personal about the post, besides the internet is a really big place. And yep, I see I forgot to finish my text, *as 300bhp has posted he talked with Yank not Fuddle, and has no ties to either.* was kind of ommitted. Sorry but I been working 16+hr days getting ready for a year in Iraq. For your reading pleasure the rest of the post, separated by the double space, was not toward you in any way, merely put there for anyone wanting to do a real comparison.

Charlie

 

In that case my bad.

 

How hard would it be for john or anyone at fuddle to get a yank conveter with the same str and stall and weight,etc... as that of what he has and run them against one another...you might ask why doesn't yank do this...the same reason a heavy weight fighter doesn't fight boxcar joe , they are on top...anyways continuing...if he were to do this test and prove that fuddle is better or ever close to yank how could anyone argue the price difference then...It would prove to me that the 250 extra dollars that i spent for my yank was wasted...so what is the cost of doing this compared to the reward of new customers...I am guess the results are not in favor of fuddle or close because if I were in his shoes i would be testing the competition versus my product and if my product came on top you can bet the results will be shown...would this test make sense to you if you had a product for sale and wanted more sales?

 

Not sure if you been around long enough to remember, but back a couple years, Yank did some "tests" of Vig IIRC covnerters, maybe TCI. Anyway, they showed pics of the TC's cut open and nice Mirosoft Paint circles around said items and Yanks description of the "inferior" parts etc. It rasied quite a stink, as it would from damn near any manufacturer. In business there is the clean way (not as popular) and the dirty way to drum up business. Clean is letter your product speak for itself, and letting word of mouth be your source of advertisement. Fuddle has done a damn good job of this. John hasnt posted up that his TC's are superior to any others, he says they are just as good or maybe better, but leaves the determination to the end-user.

I dont want anyone in this thread to take my posts the wrong way, I am not a sponsored user, or anyway affiliated with any product. I have used both, and again, the Yank I used was awesome for its day, but obviously I have outgrown the TC. I have had issues with getting warranty info and slow if any response from Yank, better now but this was about a year - 18months ago maybe more. John has been up front, informative and helpful, as well I had to get some warranty replacement, and it truely was a no-hassle deal, sent it in, got a new one back with a new stall.

Bottom line, any TC you get (damn near any that is) will be an improvement from stock, and then its just a matter of efficiency, which is matching the combo. FWIW, the ATI, which is like the Yank for TH350, 400's, is not working too well in my car, simply because its mis-matched.

 

Was this it?

CONVERTERS

and THIS

 

I dont think thats it, like I said it was a couple years ago. I am sure this is vry similar, if not it. Seem to recall the color was reflective of a Vig, and talked about carbon disc etc..

I am not saying how to run a business, or that doing a converter cut open is all that bad, its just some ppl may take advantage to advertising like this. Its too easy to throw in a bunch of parts and say how inferior it is etc, but without being there during the cutting etc how do we know whats really what.

I read thread after thread of happy as hog Yank users, and Fuddle, TCI etc. I go to TCI and I see how they explain the components of their TC's, same with fuddle, and some other brands. Maybe I just have an issue with ppl that sell things like their in politics, bash the other guys to make us look better, not my motto.

One conversation with John was like this...(not quoted, going off memory)
me- John, can the street TC be locked at WOT?
John- although its not built for it, it should handle it for limited use. why?
me- well I heard about locking the TC at the top half to "slingshot" thru the traps and thought about trying it.
John- if you do it, try to record as much info, or write it down, then if it fails send me the TC I will upgrade you no ? asked, as well I'd love to see what the TC will take before failure
me- damn, I might try that.

*again, this is off memory, but pretty much get the jest of it* Now, I am not sure how anyone else would handle a warranty claim like that, or if it would even be warrantied. Needless to say I was impressed.

 

Ah yes, the old "converter with no name".

No, this makes absolutely no sense. It would be a waste of time and money. The testing would be ruled as biased and not independent. It would also open the company up to a lawsuit.

Yeah, great idea, why didn't they think of that...

 

Vacuum Modulated .

I had thought about doing the same with a good locally made converter(3600 Hi stall) to do just that,,, sling shot over the line , but unfortunately . it dropped the clutches on two occasions , (we had it set not to lockup at wot at this stage)

I had the same company build me a multiplate to do the wot lock up, but it didn't work out as it lost its str , (according to my Tuner and the dyno graph,) so I have to lock it up at wot real early down the quater, until my Yank is fitted,

but now I wont bother locking it up as it should be efficent enough without locking it up. 2.7 str.
I read here earlier that the Vacuum modulator only controls line pressure ??, and shifts are all controlled by the pcm.

It seems the real problem is that I have too much pressure, not allowing any slip at lock up, which might tear standard TC clutches to bits dumping the mess into the cooler.

the line pressure thing came apparent also because we think ( from coments in other tech tuning forums) the higher pressure may cause 2nd gear to disengage before engaging third giving a flare hitting the limiter for a split second (blap blap)
Until we knew this we tried shifting earlier and lifting the limiter but still the blap blap while it was in no gear for a millisecond only,
it happens once only in about 10 hit outs.

If our above theories are incorrect, I dont mind being corrected, as it will help save time on further research.
thanks Tonner

 

The yank testing program of several years ago was the last time I saw a good controlled comparison. Same car, no other mods, weather corrected. Most people swapping converters are looking for something other than the identical stall & STR from what they have.

Let's keep this factual, this was getting sloppy a few posts ago.